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  • #16
    Originally posted by MissJecka View Post
    Now that a Grok life is at the point of being easy on the macro-level, I'm learning more about the micro side of things a bit more. I came to a realization that I'm consuming way, way too much O6.

    I love nuts, especially almonds. As embarrassed as I am to say this in such a dedicated primal community, I honestly eat at least 1/4 cup (!!!!) of almond butter, almonds, or hazelnuts at least 4 days per week. Easily.

    I used paleotrack.com to check out my last few days of food, and the only issue is my 6:3 ratio. Today, so far, it is 117.3-to-1... I shit you not...

    Can anyone give me an insight into the following?

    - What could this be doing to my body? I'm not feeling ill; in fact, for the past 7 weeks of this lifestyle, I feel better than ever, especially mentally.
    - Is anyone else an O6/nut-lover like myself? How do you overcome this other than the obvious "get the shit out of your house if you can't control yourself!" mantra.


    I used to be an obsessive Calorie-counter, so I'm fine with tracking my food... but that's a slippery slope for me and can turn into a food obsession like it has in the past, so I'd like to avoid having to monitor my ratios numerically.

    Thanks1
    Holy crap it sounds like I wrote this - I'm in the same boat; WTH?!

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    • #17
      I am going to shop at whole foods today and yall making me wanna buy some nut butter...ugh

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      • #18
        Originally posted by heatherdarbs View Post
        Holy crap it sounds like I wrote this - I'm in the same boat; WTH?!
        Hah! Fabulous. At least someone understands!
        >> Current Stats: 90% Primal / 143 lbs / ~25% BF
        >> Goal (by 1 Jan 2014): 90% Primal / 135-ish pounds / 20-22% BF

        >> Upcoming Fitness Feats: Tough Mudder, June 2013
        >> Check out my super-exciting journal by clicking these words.

        Weight does NOT equal health -- ditch the scale, don't be a slave to it!

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        • #19
          I wish Paleo could move on and instead of carb wars have some good O6 wars because I strongly suspect that the whole O6 thing is WAY overblown. If the O6 comes from natural foods like pigs, chickens and nuts, I really don't think there's anything to worry about AT ALL.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            I wish Paleo could move on and instead of carb wars have some good O6 wars because I strongly suspect that the whole O6 thing is WAY overblown. If the O6 comes from natural foods like pigs, chickens and nuts, I really don't think there's anything to worry about AT ALL.
            So what do you think about this whole "PUFA" debate, that you shouldn't eat more than 10 g daily...etc ?
            Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
            (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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            • #21
              It is my own personal opinion, based on nothing more that how it feels to eat pork and chicken, that as long as your fats come mostly from animals, it's all good. I eat some fish nearly every day (salmon usually). I get so much fish oil from the fish I eat that my blood comes out runny and thin like an old man on an aspirin regimen. I pay absolutely no attention to grams or ratios. I eat CAFO beef much of the time and only sometimes grass-fed beef. Mostly CAFO because I tend to eat beef organs rather than muscle meat. I try to get pastured pork but don't care too much if I don't. I try to get pastured chicken because the other stuff just sucks. I eat organ meats more than once a week. I feel terrific, I look pretty good, my skin is great, I'm athletic and happy.

              I see you are pretty wound up about your PUFAs with all the topics you've posted in recently. In my opinion, don't worry so much. Just stay away from oils made in labs or from seeds and you'll be okay.
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                I wish Paleo could move on and instead of carb wars have some good O6 wars because I strongly suspect that the whole O6 thing is WAY overblown. If the O6 comes from natural foods like pigs, chickens and nuts, I really don't think there's anything to worry about AT ALL.
                I agree.

                Overeating nut butters (as OP pointed out) is worrisome to me though. Just because I've been there and I've played the head games too ("that's just 2 Tb spoons, right? Not).

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                • #23
                  I figure, if I'm cracking the in-shell pistachios using my fingers, if I still have my fingernails when I've had enough to eat, I haven't eaten too many (nuts, that is; I'm not a nail-biter).

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                  • #24
                    Thanks again, everyone, for the abundant comments. I'm surprised this got so much attention, and I'm glad for it! I think I'm going to donate my last jar of almond butter from my pantry and just stick with in-shell nuts so I don't go crazy with binge-eating spoonfuls of the stuff. I think I'll also try abstaining from them just to get rid of the vice for a week or so and see how my body (bloating, etc.) react to the absence (and slow re-introduction) of the stuff.
                    >> Current Stats: 90% Primal / 143 lbs / ~25% BF
                    >> Goal (by 1 Jan 2014): 90% Primal / 135-ish pounds / 20-22% BF

                    >> Upcoming Fitness Feats: Tough Mudder, June 2013
                    >> Check out my super-exciting journal by clicking these words.

                    Weight does NOT equal health -- ditch the scale, don't be a slave to it!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by MissJecka View Post
                      Thanks again, everyone, for the abundant comments. I'm surprised this got so much attention, and I'm glad for it! I think I'm going to donate my last jar of almond butter from my pantry and just stick with in-shell nuts so I don't go crazy with binge-eating spoonfuls of the stuff. I think I'll also try abstaining from them just to get rid of the vice for a week or so and see how my body (bloating, etc.) react to the absence (and slow re-introduction) of the stuff.
                      Ok...so for the past couple of days, I decided to toss the almonds, keep that macadamias and try red meat and plenty of whole eggs. For some reason it worked instantly; I was satisfied and didn't crave the nuts...which is really, really out of character for me. I threw macadamias in a salad (you know, a normal/human amount) and I was good. I'm not sure if it would work for you, but you can try it out! Oh; and the bloat disappeared!

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                      • #26
                        Omega 6 from whole nuts and animal fat =/= omega 6 from refined seed oils.

                        There is tons and tons of evidence showing the disastrous health consequences of a diet high in omega 6 from seed oils, grains and legumes. I have not seen any evidence that show that a diet rich in pork, chicken and whole nuts is unhealthy, even though you'd have a high intake of omega 6.

                        This is a great thread asking a silly question.

                        The !Kung: How come they can eat a load of omega 6? - PaleoHacks.com

                        There are extreme examples of every lifestyle.

                        1.) The Inuit diet is an extreme ketogenic diet that consists of almost only animal products, very little vegetation.

                        2.) The King diet includes half of their calories from the mongongo nut, which is very high in omega 6.

                        3.) The Kitivans eat a diet of almost entirely starch with very little fat and protein. They are the epitome of "sugar burners."

                        Yet, they're all healthy and don't suffer from diseases of modern society. It's almost as if...natural foods made by Mother Nature...don't make us sick like the foods engineered by food scientists. I don't necessarily believe that eating a lot of nuts is unhealthy. However, I strongly, strongly disagree with grinding them up into meals and baking them. I refuse to eat almond meal confections because you're essentially creating varnish in your own oven. IMO, natural food in its natural state is almost always healthy. I avoid large quantities of nuts solely because the protein is junk protein, they aren't as nutritious as fruits, vegetables and meats and they're super easy to overeat because they have a caloric density higher than chocolate. I don't see them making you sick, but I do see them making you chubby or stopping your fat loss due to overconsumption.
                        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by heatherdarbs View Post
                          Ok...so for the past couple of days, I decided to toss the almonds, keep that macadamias and try red meat and plenty of whole eggs. For some reason it worked instantly; I was satisfied and didn't crave the nuts...which is really, really out of character for me. I threw macadamias in a salad (you know, a normal/human amount) and I was good. I'm not sure if it would work for you, but you can try it out! Oh; and the bloat disappeared!
                          Thanks! I have some hazelnuts and almonds in my pantry... I'm not sure what to do with all of it! But, I know I need to cut this stuff out, and hearing your results makes me confident that in doing so I will be better off. Thank you!

                          Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                          IMO, natural food in its natural state is almost always healthy. I avoid large quantities of nuts solely because the protein is junk protein, they aren't as nutritious as fruits, vegetables and meats and they're super easy to overeat because they have a caloric density higher than chocolate. I don't see them making you sick, but I do see them making you chubby or stopping your fat loss due to overconsumption.
                          Agreed. I think it's just an over-consumption thing, not necessarily a health thing (as I've been doing this for years and don't have any health issues besides acne and some bloating). Thank you for your comment!
                          >> Current Stats: 90% Primal / 143 lbs / ~25% BF
                          >> Goal (by 1 Jan 2014): 90% Primal / 135-ish pounds / 20-22% BF

                          >> Upcoming Fitness Feats: Tough Mudder, June 2013
                          >> Check out my super-exciting journal by clicking these words.

                          Weight does NOT equal health -- ditch the scale, don't be a slave to it!

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                          • #28
                            I used to bloat from almond butter---and had to cut it out too! i could snack on dark chocolate without issues, but dark chocolate with almond butter slathered on would make my belly bloat. (although just typing that makes me want that combo!)
                            Check out my blog on nature and nurture!
                            http://thewoodsygal.com/

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by solstice View Post
                              I used to bloat from almond butter---and had to cut it out too! i could snack on dark chocolate without issues, but dark chocolate with almond butter slathered on would make my belly bloat. (although just typing that makes me want that combo!)
                              You may be able to remove the bloating effect by soaking and rinsing your nuts, then drying them slowly in the oven and pureeing them in a blender to make your own nut butter. I just soaked a pound of cashews to make cashew butter today.
                              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                              • #30
                                nut butters are absolutely a trigger food for me. i can ignore the jar, but once it's open i'll eateateateateat it til i am sick. i simply don't buy it anymore.

                                i don't keep nuts in my house because they are not satisfying in small portions. at this point, i'd rather get calories and protein from animals. i do most of my cooking at my b/f's house, so almonds live in his freezer. i chop them onto veggies or salad.
                                As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                                Ernest Hemingway

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