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    Interesting Post by Dr Davis.


    http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/butter-and-insulin.html


    An even more interesting rebuttal by Peter.

    http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2010/03/butter-insulin-and-dr-davis.html


    Where are we?

    Is butter bad or is it good?


    I am with Peter on this one.

    The outcome is Insulin is not evil. If it was Butter would be evil. But insulin is not always the one responsible for fat gain.


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    Butter is semi-evil.


    Avoid butter, avoid the insulin and it's win win.

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    Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
    Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
    Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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      Its not just Butter, all fats are implicated ;-). You didn't read the article I guess. The research shows that Fats have a higher insulin response than Pasta. Butter has the highest response.

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        Dr. Davis's take on that study is a joke. Pasta was part of the meal in each case. It's already known that carbs + fat can result in a higher insulin response than carbs alone. But fat by itself does no such thing. For example: http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/...leo-works.html

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          Some comments made it out as if the fat was being taken alone, and that the paper was just not very consistent with its language.


          Even then according to Peter butter with carbs will provide a higher fat loss than carbs, even though you are eating more.


          The FFA graph shows that FFA for Butter is high and keeps higher for a long time. Showing availability of fats from adipose tissues.

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            I am still in the butter is good camp. I don't think insulin is some type of poison that is out to make us sick and fat; our bodies produce insulin to regulate where our energy goes. Looking at the study, blood glucose had very little variation in the groups but the butter group had higher FFA and trigs circulating. It might be too simplistic, and I don't claim to be an expert, but to me it makes sense that the body would say "get some of the energy out of the blood" and thus secrete more insulin.

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              Dr.Eades had tweeted a while ago that eating potato with butter reduces the insulin spike than potato alone. I'm confused now!!

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                Really, read Peter's response. .

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                  I read the heartscan blog post last week and the thought that butter might be bad had me very, very sad! Glad to read the thoughts so far that maybe it's not so cut and dry...

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                    @maba

                    I also thought that way.


                    But having higher FFAs is good. It allows you to use fat for energy. And Butter supposedly keeps the FFAs higher than the other fats.


                    I now think that Insulin is mostly irrelevent to fat loss. There is something else that makes FFAs available. And that something is the crucial thing.


                    It seems that Palmitic acid is more important for fat loss, as it signals fat burning, just like Insulin signals glucose burning.


                    Since butter provides palmitic acid, it prevents glucose burning and keeps fat burning, even when insulin is high.


                    I am not sure if that will not be a problem, when you have palm oil with lots of rice. What is the body going to do, with large amount of glucose and palmitic acid at the same time? I would think Insulin production will skyrocket. This might not be good for the pancreas, but what do I know.

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                      can you further that explanation a bit more im lost on the palmitic acid thing...if butter has palmitic acid and prevents glucose burning then that would make sense why carbs + butter = weight gain? so palmitic acid benefits those who want to stay in ketosis all the time, but not so much for people who eat say like 30% carbs?

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                        Um, as a type 1 diabetic I can most definitely say that fat would not trigger an insulin response! I have to inject my insulin before I eat. If I eat pasta I will need to take maybe as much as 25 units of insulin. If I eat a meal of fat and protein I would only have to take 3 units! Why would the body release insulin for something that doesn't raise blood glucose levels? Don't make the slightest bit of sense. I have never had to inject because I ate butter.

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                          Not sure if this is relevant to this discussion, just wanted to share this. I had a small amount of rice and lentils with about 2-3 tsps of ghee for breakfast and I don't think I've felt this sleepy after breakfast in many days. That's probably because this is not my usual breakfast. Not sure if it's the rice, the lentils, the ghee or the combination of it all that's making me sleepy.

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                            @StoneAgeQueen

                            Insulin is not the same as Glucose.

                            If you don't eat carbs Glucose level cannot rise.


                            Insulin is secreted by Pancreas, so it can go high. Actually it is required to go high so that the nutrients in the food go to the cells. Its not like fat has no nutrients.


                            Insulin also tells the cells to only use glucose, that is why when you are not eating carbs, the palmitic acid is required to tell the cells to not take in glucose and start burning fat. Otherwise the glucose level in the blood will go too low.


                            Since you are diabetic type 1, you pancreas are already dead, so you cannot make Insulin. This will require you to take in Insulin with every meal even if you don't eat carbs, just to use the nutrients in your food.


                            The high rise probably is because of palmitic acid (in butter) forcing a higher requirement of Insulin for the small amount of carbs in the food.

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                              I know all of that.

                              What I was trying to say is that it's unlikely the body would produce a surge of insulin in the body if there was not excess glucose present in the blood. So it kind of happens the wrong way round for me- if I eat something that produces a lot of glucose and obviously my body can't produce insulin itself, my blood glucose levels will shoot up if I don't inject insulin. This has never happened with butter or other fats.

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