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  • #31
    The French paradox doesn't work well. I live in France and most people here are skinny fat (if not plain fat.)
    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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    • #32
      Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
      I eat more carbs than I do animal.

      For example: Breakfast would be berry smoothie with protein powder or sometimes I just eat some gluten free crackers with almond butter (not many lets say like 8 or 10 mini ones total, about 80 calories for those crackers on their own). Today I had a big raw salad with flax oil and vinegar

      Lunch; usually have a salad, maybe just some fruit, maybe just some hummus and crackers (which is what I did today and also some with almond butter, and also just had an apple), handful of nuts maybe?

      Dinner is where I eat a lot of cooked veggies, some sort of animal protein.

      I walk so much and then remember that I have gone to the gym to do more cardio, if it really came down to Cals IN/OUT (like in my other post) then I should definitely be losing a ton of weight!

      I am confused. very very confused.
      Ew, that's hardly barely on the edge of being primal, and mostly not, in my opinion. It seems like a daily thing to get somebody here with a food list that includes fruit smoothies, almond butter, barely any meat and complaints about gaining weight. Fruit smoothies are fucking baby food. There's almost no real nutrition in there. You're starving yourself so you can eat sweet, soft, mushy comfort food that makes your infantile taste buds happy and your body knows it so it's not going to let go of any fat at all.

      Try organ meat, fatty meat, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, canned salmon with the bones and skin, and eat them in small portions with AMPLE fat from animals. Try NOT doing all that gym and cardio bullshit. Lift some weights, do pushups and squats, run 8x50 meters of sprints once a week or less, take a slow and relaxing walk in the sunshine. See if that doesn't help turn things around a little bit.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        Ew, that's hardly barely on the edge of being primal, and mostly not, in my opinion. It seems like a daily thing to get somebody here with a food list that includes fruit smoothies, almond butter, barely any meat and complaints about gaining weight. Fruit smoothies are fucking baby food. There's almost no real nutrition in there. You're starving yourself so you can eat sweet, soft, mushy comfort food that makes your infantile taste buds happy and your body knows it so it's not going to let go of any fat at all.

        Try organ meat, fatty meat, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, canned salmon with the bones and skin, and eat them in small portions with AMPLE fat from animals. Try NOT doing all that gym and cardio bullshit. Lift some weights, do pushups and squats, run 8x50 meters of sprints once a week or less, take a slow and relaxing walk in the sunshine. See if that doesn't help turn things around a little bit.
        Great effort, but I don't think it's going to make it "click."
        Female, age 51, 5' 9"
        SW - 183 (Jan 22, 2012), CW - 159, GW - healthy.

        Met my 2012 goals by losing 24 pounds.
        2013 goals are to get fit and strong!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
          Ew, that's hardly barely on the edge of being primal, and mostly not, in my opinion. It seems like a daily thing to get somebody here with a food list that includes fruit smoothies, almond butter, barely any meat and complaints about gaining weight. Fruit smoothies are fucking baby food. There's almost no real nutrition in there. You're starving yourself so you can eat sweet, soft, mushy comfort food that makes your infantile taste buds happy and your body knows it so it's not going to let go of any fat at all.

          Try organ meat, fatty meat, Swiss chard, sweet potatoes, canned salmon with the bones and skin, and eat them in small portions with AMPLE fat from animals. Try NOT doing all that gym and cardio bullshit. Lift some weights, do pushups and squats, run 8x50 meters of sprints once a week or less, take a slow and relaxing walk in the sunshine. See if that doesn't help turn things around a little bit.
          *slow clap*

          Way, way, way too much fruit/fructose/sugar, OP. Try cutting that out for a week and see what happens...
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          • #35
            Originally posted by cavebabymama View Post
            *slow clap*

            Way, way, way too much fruit/fructose/sugar, OP. Try cutting that out for a week and see what happens...
            Okay, thanks. I just figured using a cup of berries a day wasn't going to kill me. I will see how this all goes.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
              Okay, thanks. I just figured using a cup of berries a day wasn't going to kill me. I will see how this all goes.
              No-one said a cup of berries would kill you. NO-ONE.

              OK, that's me really done now, done trying to understand, done trying to be helpful. Done.

              I am out of this thread cos its beginning to really piss me off and i hate it when people get nasty/personal/argumentative on threads.

              I wish you joy and success of whatever you eat and do. Really.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by denise View Post
                No-one said a cup of berries would kill you. NO-ONE.

                OK, that's me really done now, done trying to understand, done trying to be helpful. Done.

                I am out of this thread cos its beginning to really piss me off and i hate it when people get nasty/personal/argumentative on threads.

                I wish you joy and success of whatever you eat and do. Really.
                Seriously u are a bigger person, I like how she ignores some posts because she knows there is not way to rationalize it or it calls out what her real agenda is...whatevs...um done too.

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                • #38
                  VeggieLover, have you had Carb Flu yet? IMO this is the biggest indicator of whether you are seriously Primal, whether you are doing it halfway (won't work), or whether you are looking for validation that Primal is not for you (probably wrong forum).

                  Originally posted by Lawyerchick12 View Post
                  1) this is not a diet, eating natural unprocessed whole foods is or should be a lifestyle that has been shown through studies and simple common sense to be healthier for most people. It could aid in weight loss or management as well.

                  2) Calories at the end of the day matter. Eating natural unprocessed foods makes it easier to manage your calorie intake. Low carb/high fat/moderate or high protein has been proven to work for so many people re weight loss and makes thing even much easier while monitoring calories.
                  I'm sorry to bust up on you, but this is a pet peeve of mine. Could we please STOP with the "natural whole unprocessed foods" bit? It seems to show up in everyone's condescending "I don't put poison in my body, so there" primal creed. And yet, it is a LOUSY indicator of whether something is Primal.

                  Wheat berries are a "whole and unprocessed" food. I used to eat them raw.
                  You "process" bone broth and rice exactly the same way for the same amount of time. Which is Primal?
                  Bacon is more "processed" than whole wheat bread.
                  Kombucha and saurkraut and yogurt are fermented just as much as tofu.
                  Corn on the cob is as whole and unprocessed as it gets. I used to eat it raw. Is it primal?
                  What's the difference between extracting oil from soybeans and extracting oil from coconuts?
                  What about the difference between coconut milk and soy milk? Both processed, both "natural" from plants.
                  Look at the box of natural ice creams. Cream, sugar, fruit. All nice and "whole." And wholly not primal.

                  You can get diabetes on whole and "unprocessed" CW.

                  Here is the Primal terminology we should be using.

                  Fat comes from coconuts, butter, olives and animals/fish ONLY.
                  Carbs under 100g/day, from fruits and vegetables ONLY.
                  Dairy in small amounts, preferably fermented.
                  Tree nuts in tiny amounts.

                  This captures what ingredients you should eat and what ingredients you should not eat, regardless of processing.
                  5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                  • #39
                    I agree with the others, your post is downright confusing. I'm almost starting to wonder if you're just trolling. If you're interested in the science, then read some books! There are plenty out there (on both sides of the spectrum), so read them and make an informed decision. It doesn't seem to me that you're here for support or education. I'm not really sure what it is you're looking for.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
                      I'm sorry but everyone has confirmed it is calories in / calories out,
                      Bullsh!t. I spent a LOT of time in your last thread, and I did NOT confirm it, at least not in your CW context. This is what I said:

                      "It" is not calories in/calorie out, not in the CW sense. The magical "it" is TWO things:

                      1. Change your body to burn fat instead of carbs. That is, match your power plant to your fuel. This takes about a month, and you need to go through carb flu, even if it's mild.
                      2. Then, AND ONLY THEN, is "it" calories in calories out, and ONLY if those are matched calories.

                      Make yourself a fat burner, and THEN let's talk calories.

                      If you want to go back to CW and moderation and chronic cardio, well we can't stop you. You might even lose some weight. But it will take a toll on you in other ways.
                      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by palebluedots View Post
                        I agree with the others, your post is downright confusing. I'm almost starting to wonder if you're just trolling. If you're interested in the science, then read some books! There are plenty out there (on both sides of the spectrum), so read them and make an informed decision. It doesn't seem to me that you're here for support or education. I'm not really sure what it is you're looking for.
                        Honestly I have every book on nutrition out there. I used to suffer from a lot of digestive problems, still sort of do but not as bad, and I am just downright confused. I am told one diet by some nutritionist, to not eat animal protein because it does not promote healing and then others say eat as much protein as possible. I have been trying to figure these things out on my own as well and have all of the right books. I come here to ask for advice because I get caught up in both directions, get caught up with weight loss/weight gain, how my stomach feels, how to better heal myself, how to feel more energetic. I apologize for coming off as confusing and I am surprised by the number of members here who are putting me down for questioning everything. This is not a cult, this is nutrition and I am generally confused like many people who come searching for advice here.

                        I appreciate the people who are guiding me by their personal experiences.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by oxide View Post
                          Bullsh!t. I spent a LOT of time in your last thread, and I did NOT confirm it, at least not in your CW context. This is what I said:

                          "It" is not calories in/calorie out, not in the CW sense. The magical "it" is TWO things:

                          1. Change your body to burn fat instead of carbs. That is, match your power plant to your fuel. This takes about a month, and you need to go through carb flu, even if it's mild.
                          2. Then, AND ONLY THEN, is "it" calories in calories out, and ONLY if those are matched calories.

                          Make yourself a fat burner, and THEN let's talk calories.

                          If you want to go back to CW and moderation and chronic cardio, well we can't stop you. You might even lose some weight. But it will take a toll on you in other ways.
                          Thank you Oxide for your posts, appreciate your help.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by oxide View Post
                            VeggieLover, have you had Carb Flu yet? IMO this is the biggest indicator of whether you are seriously Primal, whether you are doing it halfway (won't work), or whether you are looking for validation that Primal is not for you (probably wrong forum).



                            I'm sorry to bust up on you, but this is a pet peeve of mine. Could we please STOP with the "natural whole unprocessed foods" bit? It seems to show up in everyone's condescending "I don't put poison in my body, so there" primal creed. And yet, it is a LOUSY indicator of whether something is Primal.

                            Wheat berries are a "whole and unprocessed" food. I used to eat them raw.
                            You "process" bone broth and rice exactly the same way for the same amount of time. Which is Primal?
                            Bacon is more "processed" than whole wheat bread.
                            Kombucha and saurkraut and yogurt are fermented just as much as tofu.
                            Corn on the cob is as whole and unprocessed as it gets. I used to eat it raw. Is it primal?
                            What's the difference between extracting oil from soybeans and extracting oil from coconuts?
                            What about the difference between coconut milk and soy milk? Both processed, both "natural" from plants.
                            Look at the box of natural ice creams. Cream, sugar, fruit. All nice and "whole." And wholly not primal.

                            You can get diabetes on whole and "unprocessed" CW.

                            Here is the Primal terminology we should be using.

                            Fat comes from coconuts, butter, olives and animals/fish ONLY.
                            Carbs under 100g/day, from fruits and vegetables ONLY.
                            Dairy in small amounts, preferably fermented.
                            Tree nuts in tiny amounts.

                            This captures what ingredients you should eat and what ingredients you should not eat, regardless of processing.
                            I don't have time to rebut all your presumptions with your rant. Suffice it to say that u did not "get" what I meant and ur rant is also your opinion not fact.

                            Now i am officially done with this thread #procastination is a bitch #bored #yawn

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by VeggieLover View Post
                              Honestly I have every book on nutrition out there. I used to suffer from a lot of digestive problems, still sort of do but not as bad, and I am just downright confused. I am told one diet by some nutritionist, to not eat animal protein because it does not promote healing and then others say eat as much protein as possible. I have been trying to figure these things out on my own as well and have all of the right books. I come here to ask for advice because I get caught up in both directions, get caught up with weight loss/weight gain, how my stomach feels, how to better heal myself, how to feel more energetic. I apologize for coming off as confusing and I am surprised by the number of members here who are putting me down for questioning everything. This is not a cult, this is nutrition and I am generally confused like many people who come searching for advice here.

                              I appreciate the people who are guiding me by their personal experiences.
                              No one can say eat this, don't eat that, do this, don't do that, and have it "work" for everyone. We are all different. Different foods, different exercise, different lifestyles affect individuals differently.

                              What I suggest is to find a path/plan that resonates for YOU. Then decide to work the plan for a predetermined amount of time, say six weeks. After that time re-evaluate how things are going. And, IMO, scale weight should not be high the evaluation checklist, especially if the body needs to heal from deficiency, illness, or medical condition.

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                              • #45
                                Primal is not rocket science. It's a whole lot of veggies. A little bit of fruit (like berries if you're so inclined) and meat and fat. Make a list of the veggies you like, the meats, poultry, eggs and fish you like, the fats you like (nuts, avocado, meat fats...) and the berries you like and put them in a list. Eat from that list - a meat, a fat and a veggie or two or three all meals. Fruit once a day. Avoid anything in a can, a jar, a box or any other unnatural container and eat only things the grew in the ground or who ate something that grew in the ground. Do this for a month and report back. Oh yeah, it's called the Whole 30 (well, if you take out the fruit).
                                Last edited by Andtckrtoo; 08-17-2012, 06:43 PM.
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