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  • #16
    I also get stuck having to choose one or the other. Seems like it would be an evolutionary disadvantage - if evolution is at play. It might just be our bodies having been fed so much garbage for so long. But I, too, must either be high-carb or very low carb to feel good, energy-wise. Not much middle ground.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #17
      I kind of wonder now if the whole "chronic cardio" message makes it harder for people to adjust to the carb curve as recommended by Mark. I think people get confused between chronic cardio and the recommendation for slow movement. Jogging, bike commuting, hiking or similar things might make the transition easier for people.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by teach2183 View Post
        I think it really depends on the person. I get depressed if I'm vlc (20-30g) for more than a week. And we're talking thinking of running away from my 2 adorable kids and wonderful husband depressed. After a month it was only getting worse so I added carbs back in.
        me toooo!!!!! Had to up carbs but have found recently that I can manage happily on 45g ish, but no lower. Too miserable - true depression.

        Somehow makes me feel better that i am not alone, I thought maybe the awful feelings were "true" - but they were just a result of ... "diet related chemicals" I guess.
        Last edited by denise; 08-14-2012, 07:44 AM.

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        • #19
          I find that 5HTP supplement (serotonine) helps with low carb depression, but it does take a few weeks to stabilize the mood, and a carb-up messes things up. I am going to try 60 g or less (1/2 body weight) of carbs with 5HTP supplementation and see if I can avoid the black moods.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            SB, you might want to check out Dr. Peter Attia at The Eating Academy website. He calls what you are referring to the "Zone of Misery".
            This guy is awesome...and not exactly hard on the eyes, either.
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            • #21
              Yeah, he he, he's not hard on the eyes. Plus he learned from his mistakes. That's always attractive. He says "coming soon" about his posts on the "zone of misery."
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                Yeah, he he, he's not hard on the eyes. Plus he learned from his mistakes. That's always attractive. He says "coming soon" about his posts on the "zone of misery."
                Definitely not hard on the eyes AND he lives in San Diego.

                He has made references to the zone of misery a few times in his posts and replies to comments on his posts and so many people were interested that he has promised a whole article on it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Leida View Post
                  I find that 5HTP supplement (serotonine) helps with low carb depression, but it does take a few weeks to stabilize the mood, and a carb-up messes things up. I am going to try 60 g or less (1/2 body weight) of carbs with 5HTP supplementation and see if I can avoid the black moods.
                  Tried 5htp but no joy. Very happily bobbing along at 45igsh daily, no idea why I can tolerate that but no lower, but hey, "if it ain't broke" and my mood is fine........?

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                  • #24
                    I don't have too much to add about why but I also get in that zone of misery. I do well low carb or much higher. The in between doesn't work for me.

                    I have been on and off Primal lately due to some stress but I think reading this thread and seeing that others have the same experience I need go back to low carb to get fully back into the swing of things. I don't even have to go that low carb. I can handle 75g a day and sometimes a bit more but once I go over 100g it doesn't work.
                    Pre-Primal SW: 161
                    CW- 150
                    Goal 120ish

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