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  • #31
    It sounds like you are having issues with "forbidden" foods. Other than grains and yucky oils, nothing is forbidden in primal. I have 1/2-1 cup berries every morning with breakfast. It's a nice finish with just a touch of sweetness at the end of my meal. I don't consider this part of my 20%. I have slowly lost 15lbs in under 7 months.

    I find that when I make things that I really like forbidden, I can't stop thinking about them. Allowing myself small amounts of what I really like stops the gorging because I know I can a small amount again the next time I want it.

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    • #32
      you can eat all the berries, apples etc you want.

      oh, ok, but what you meant was

      you can still lose weight from eating fruits even one or two servings a day.


      but I am really getting sick of people confusing primal/paleo with low fat.


      who the hell is talking about low-fat?
      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

      Ernest Hemingway

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      • #33
        From here: How Much Carbs, Fat And Protein Should You Eat Daily To Lose Weight? | LIVESTRONG.COM

        The U.S. Department of Agriculture publishes guidelines to food intake called Dietary Reference Intakes, or DRIs. Based on this set of recommendations, you should get 45 to 65 percent of your day's calories from carbohydrate, 10 to 35 percent from protein and 20 to 35 percent from fats.
        Based on 2000 calories per day, that would be between 900 and 1300 calories of carbs per day, or between 225 and 325 grams of carbs.

        From here: How to Succeed with the Primal Blueprint | Mark's Daily Apple

        Mark identifiess the range between 100 and 150 grams of carbs as the range to maintain weight.
        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

        B*tch-lite

        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
          Reccomended daily intake of carbs is 300g. Mark reccomends for the average person 150g. And less if you wanna really lose fat. Those numbers seem pretty Low when compared to 300g... Don't they?
          I am not sure how the digression of this conversation progressed .......I was talking about the topic of fruit being primal with the op suggesting that eating fruit is somehow "cheating" or "eating bad". So again Is Fruit Primal? Yet it is. End of discussion.

          Now on the topic of weight loss v weight gain; Whether all you need to do is keep carbs to under or about 100-150g and gorge on as much calories as you want from fat and protein in order to lose weight or you want to adopt the CICO approach and limit calories to fit your body needs while eating strictly primal foods of which again, fruit IS one of these primal foods, the decision is up to the person. I have stopped counting carbs and just watch my caloric intake while making sure I hit my protein needs of .7 to 1g of lean body mass and my weight has shifted and I am losing again.

          Then there is sbhikes who eats lots of yummy fat and protein for the most part and is also getting good results on the weight loss home front.

          Again, it is definitely a YMMV situation. I know and believe that some people cannot handle low fibre high GI fruits and even Mark recommends having those sparingly (yes I read the book), but it still does NOT make said fruit non-primal, it just makes consuming lots of said fruit bad for aggressive weight loss. but even if weight loss is your goal and lets say you want to still eat fruits, you do know you can consume one or two servings of fruit and 'eat as much' vegetables as you want AND a serving of potato and still be around 100g net carbs right?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            oh, ok, but what you meant was





            who the hell is talking about low-fat?
            I obviously meant low carb which could have been easily deduced in the context of my "rant" if you read my whole rant as opposed to wanting to start some trite argument. Having all the fruits you want and limiting these said fruits to one or two servings a day DOES make sense. I never said you can or should have all the fruits you want in one sitting or day, but good try in trying to call out stupidity though. smdh

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
              Craving *sugar* and craving *fruit* are not the same thing. Fruit is in season in the northern hemisphere. It grows on a plant. You eat it in its natural state. It's primal. Refined sugar is none of those things.

              Our ancestors would have eaten fruit it when they could find it, probably as much as they could find knowing they'd only be eating it for a few weeks at most, and probably would have preserved some if they knew how (sun drying?)

              How do you know your body isn't asking for the nutrients in fruit, and not just the sweetness? If some vitamin-rich fruit satisfies your sweet tooth, doesn't that outweigh some extra carbs? If you're counting carbs, cut them somewhere else. Not that carbs from colorful plant sources should be feared. Eat the fruit.

              Also, women are more cyclical than men. We have cravings at certain times of the month because our bodies have different needs at different times. I have a week of starchy-sweet cravings every month. It cannot be denied. My goal is to manage it and feed it wisely. The rest of the month I don't even look sideways at a cinnamon roll.
              All of This as well

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              • #37
                and I should add a caveat that says this is all just my opinion, strictly. I should probably start preparing to make submissions and arguments that i am actually paid to do, lol, so this will be my last response/reply on this topic.

                Fruit is Primal. *barefoot runs away out of thread*

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                • #38
                  I don't think there was a challenge to, "fruit is primal." I think the challenge was to, "Primal isn't low carb."

                  Based on USDA guidelines, PB guidelines are lower in carbs by a substantial percentage.
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                  B*tch-lite

                  Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                  • #39
                    Just another quick thought from this old Gwamma....... buy the frozen berries, pop in the freezer, and as a treat put a handful in a cup and enjoy one at a time ! A really nice way to enjoy berries !
                    "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                    ...small steps....

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Lawyerchick12 View Post
                      and I should add a caveat that says this is all just my opinion, strictly. I should probably start preparing to make submissions and arguments that i am actually paid to do, lol, so this will be my last response/reply on this topic.

                      Fruit is Primal. *barefoot runs away out of thread*

                      hopefully there you won't be mixing up nouns like here.

                      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                      Ernest Hemingway

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                      • #41
                        Hey Theresa, OP, btw we have the same stats except I am mid twenties and now 135. I started at 155 before I started employing principles of primal eating. Still not 100 percent compliant but have gone from about 50 percent to now 85 percent compliant.

                        I re-read your post and I still think eating a few berries a day will still make you 100 percent compliant, Do not be too hard on yourself. I want to go down to 125 as well. I agree with the suggestions of adding some fat to the fruit as well and also i know this irritates some people but I would also try counting calories for a while. I know most of us short gals cannot get away from not counting even on the primal lifestyle. Good luck!

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                          hopefully there you won't be mixing up nouns like here.

                          lmao I will try!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                            I don't think there was a challenge to, "fruit is primal." I think the challenge was to, "Primal isn't low carb."

                            Based on USDA guidelines, PB guidelines are lower in carbs by a substantial percentage.
                            Exactly. Never mentioned fruit once. It was your bolder "not low carb" statement. The part I quoted...

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                            • #44
                              I'm a newbie, only went relatively grain/legume free 9 days ago. By relatively I mean incidental grains are OK with me, I'm not scraping the breadcrumbs off breaded meat or throwing out the crust on quiche or the skin on a potato knish. But I haven't had any bread, rice, corn, beans, cookies, hummus, oatmeal, etc. I've lost 3-1/2 lbs in 9 days and have no cravings.
                              Here's some interesting numbers on carbs (different sites have slightly different numbers but these are the average of what I found): Carbs in a cup of grapes = 30, in a cup of strawberries = 15, in a cup of cherries = 20, in a tablespoon of raw honey = 20.

                              So I have been eating a cup of cherries or grapes or strawberries with honey once or twice a day, and only consuming an extra 30 to 60 carbs a day while satisfying my sweet tooth. I don't know what my total carb count is (and I don't want to monitor it either) but fruit doesn't seem to be a very big part of the recommended 150 carbs a day.

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                              • #45
                                Sugar is a huge trigger for me, too, but I can eat fruit, even very sweet fruit, without triggering the need to have more. Honey is fine with me as well (in limited quantities), but give me a sugary pastry, a piece of candy, cake, ice cream... and I'm a goner. I simply cannot eat ONE piece and walk away. If fruit does this to you - then by all mean, walk away. Can you maybe have a piece a day (instead of every 2 weeks) without catastrophic consequences?
                                Christine
                                Wag more, bark less

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