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    Alright; I can eat veggies all day long, but my problem is that I'm counting calories simply to make sure I don't eat too many veggies. So that leaves me with proteins, which I have no issue with, and fats...mainly coconut oil, coconut milk (in smoothies) and a handful of nuts every day.

    I feel like I'm getting into the paralysis by analysis mode with the nuts, because I keep reading about how too much will either stall weight loss or cause weight gain. Oh...and I hate cooking. I live off of egg whites, lean meats, fish, egg white protein powder and the good fats I mentioned above. However, I miss my veggies! This is my 4th week being primal - it looks like I've lost ~5lbs. Coming from an eating disordered background (anorexia athletica), I feel like this is at a snail’s pace...of course my perception is still a little skewed. I recall losing a lot of weight years ago without trying, simply by consuming a ton of fruits and vegetables…which confuses me a tad more.

    Thoughts?

  • #2
    Eat vegetables, they are not the enemy. Definitely eat them rather than nuts. I'm not sure it's possible to eat too many veggies as long as you are also eating adequate protein/fat.

    Why are you not eating the egg yolks?

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    • #3
      I couldn't do a diet that excluded veggies! Why are you cutting them out? There are so many wonderful low cal/carb veggies out there~

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      • #4
        Limiting vegetables, for weight loss? That's crazy. Eat all the vegetables you care for. Most of the non starch vegetables barely provide any usable carbohydrates anyway if you really want to stay ultra low carb.

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        • #5
          Eat the veg and enjoy.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          • #6
            I understand how you feel, even though I am just starting out with this diet and very unsure of it right now... coming from a similar background (anorexia) as well so I know it's very easy to fall back into counting, that's why I am not sure if I can continue with this without becoming obsessed with numbers again... but if you can do it, and enjoy the food you do eat then it's great! I would say definitely don't skimp on the veggies, it's easier to eat more of those than nuts, those are very self limiting especially because I personally find it harder to digest if I eat them all day (lots of FIBRE!). I'm gonna say I believe you can do it

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            • #7
              Instead of eating egg whites and lean meats, and then adding your fat thru coconut and nuts, eat whole eggs and fatty cuts of meat....and all the veggies you want! Veggies are great for weight loss!
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              • #8
                I couldn't do a diet that excluded veggies

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                • #9
                  Even if you wanted to stay very low carb you could eat 5 cups of spinach, a big serving of cauliflower, 2 cups of broccoli, 2 cups of mushrooms and still be around 25-30 carbs. Eat vegetables if you like them.
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                  • #10
                    If you're not used to watching carbs, and you are concerned about veggies, think in color. Mostly, the brightest colored veggies, especially greens, are lower in carbs. Exceptions that come to mind: tomato is moderate in carbs (and is really a fruit), and carrots are a bit high.

                    As you get into root veggies and other white veggies, (onions, cauliflower), the carb content goes up. White potatoes are pretty carby.

                    Avocado, though dark in color is also really a fruit, has moderate to high carbs, but has so much fat for a plant that some use it for the satiation (and yummy) factor.

                    There are exceptions to every rule, but that's a general guideline.

                    If you use added butter/oils/etc., sauteed greens with a little garlic sauteed in at the end is a fantastic way to get a ton of veggies and it's so yummy that it tastes like restaurant (not chain restaurant) food.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tradawg View Post
                      Instead of eating egg whites and lean meats, and then adding your fat thru coconut and nuts, eat whole eggs and fatty cuts of meat....and all the veggies you want! Veggies are great for weight loss!
                      ^ This.

                      Why are you killing yourself with egg whites and lean meats? You'll die of choline deficiency and starvation. And didn't you see the Primal Blueprint pyramid? There are two versions. One has meats in the biggest box because that's where the majority of calories come from. The other has vegetables in the biggest box because that's where the most volume of food comes from. Eat your vegetables and put butter and whole egg yolks on them. BUTTER. Not coconut oil. You read somewhere it has magic weight loss properties. That's why you're focused on it. Forget the coconut oil. It's not magic and you need real butter.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by heatherdarbs View Post
                        Alright; I can eat veggies all day long, but my problem is that I'm counting calories simply to make sure I don't eat too many veggies. So that leaves me with proteins, which I have no issue with, and fats...mainly coconut oil, coconut milk (in smoothies) and a handful of nuts every day.

                        I feel like I'm getting into the paralysis by analysis mode with the nuts, because I keep reading about how too much will either stall weight loss or cause weight gain. Oh...and I hate cooking. I live off of egg whites, lean meats, fish, egg white protein powder and the good fats I mentioned above. However, I miss my veggies! This is my 4th week being primal - it looks like I've lost ~5lbs. Coming from an eating disordered background (anorexia athletica), I feel like this is at a snail’s pace...of course my perception is still a little skewed. I recall losing a lot of weight years ago without trying, simply by consuming a ton of fruits and vegetables…which confuses me a tad more.

                        Thoughts?
                        I'm not surprised you're craving vegetables. There doesn't seem to be much food in your food. You need superior, dense sources of nutrients - not just fats and proteins in isolation.
                        Protein powders are useful as a tool if you're in a hurry but IMO should not be a staple part of day to day nutrition.
                        I find it somewhat surprising that you're counting calories to "make sure you don't eat too many veggies" but have no problem with adding lots of fats to your diet instead, and nuts!

                        Ditch the nuts, don't go out of your way to find the leanest cuts of meat and only add sufficient oils for cooking in & dressings maybe (added fats shouldn't ideally be a significant calorie source), eat the entire egg, not just the nutritionally inferior white part, and have your veggies.

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                        • #13
                          All of these posts are validating what my intuition tells me...sometimes with the chaos of information overload I need quasi-permission to move ahead. Coming from an anorexic background, the challenge comes with patches of quicksand.

                          Veggies, it is; the nuts can go and nothing in a carton if its original package is in a shell sitting right next to the alternative. I appreciate everyone’s response; sincerely. I didn’t expect even one response to this boring topic!

                          Oh...and I bought bacon yesterday...maybe I'll have some, now

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                          • #14
                            I agree wirth what others are saying. First of all, get rid od all foods that are not whole (powders etc.), I would take any sort of powdered protein only after heavy weight lifting. Second, add as many veg as you like as long as they are low carb - all leaves & cruciferous veggies, cucumbers, courgettes, mushrooms, tomatoes (not too much, I am obsessed with tomatoes, so sometimes they increase my carb count quite a lot. You can even eat carrots as long as they are raw (cooking them makes sugars more available). Third, more fats from butter and likes and less nuts.
                            Best of luck overcoming your ED and getting healthier!

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                            • #15
                              What the heck is with the fear of carrots? Poor, demonized, delicious cooked carrots. Where the heck is ChocoTaco? We need him here.

                              When I first got into PB I was there too - but trust me, you will neither die not gain weight if you want sauteed carrots! I even eat.... *DA NA NA*.... sweet potatoes. Several times a week. And my fat loss is still going quite nicely! I've noticed this with myself, and has been confirmed by a lot of other posters, that carb cycling seems to be quite effective. Being in ketosis all the time... eh. Its fun at first and nice to dip back down now and then but after that first initial high you seem to get it isn't necessarily the end-all-be-all. So, if you want to cycle carbs, not drive yourself crazy, and still promote fat loss - on your down days, have a salad for one meal and another do some sauteed spinach, broccoli, or whatever generally lower-carb ish veggie you like. (And if you have a salad for one meal, broccoli/sauteed spinach for another, you CAN still have carrots, blueberries, or a small sweet potato and still come in under 50g for the day). Then on activity days (lifiting, sprinting, etc.) go for it! Have a sweet potato, plantain, etc. And if you don't have an autoimmune issue and you can tolerate nightshades, then WHITE POTATOES ARE OKAY TOO.

                              Jeez, PB is not a crazy cult. Just eat REAL FOOD, ditch your powders and eat the yolks. If you still want to count your macros (which I still do sometimes just to keep an idea of where I am), that's totally cool! Read Mark's recent post on carb re-feeding and cycling for weight loss. I thought I had to only eat 10-50g a day or the fat loss would stop, but after the initial quick drop you see with strict carb limitation.... well, you might start considering sweet potatoes again. With cinnamon. Yum. I'm not sure why new PBers, myself included, get this psychotic fear of carbs. The forum seems to be coming around, especially with Mark's most recent posts, but seriously? No cooked carrots? Not even on exercise days? Not all PBers agree with that. But some do. Dr. Peter Attia is the lovechild of all things ketosis and seems to be doing very well. Others have noticed an extreme benefit from carb cycling. Best of luck!
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