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  • Statins and Polyp... I'm 20 btw..

    Errrmm... how do I start this...

    I'm trying to follow the doctors orders but at the same time looking for alternative recommendations/advice. I've been eating Primal for about 10 months or so. I know people see cholesterol results here differently and I've been trying to familiarize myself with what do the numbers really mean, but after going to the doctor this morning and seeing him bulge his eyes out at my results, my knowledge blacked out:

    Cholesterol 356 120-200
    Triglycerides 47 10-200
    DHDL 82.0 35-70
    LDL 265.0 0-129

    Cholesterol/HDL Ratio 4.34
    LDL/HDL Ratio 3.23


    Now, what has reamined in my mind about cholesterol is that you should get the triglycerides as low as possible, but I don't think I should rely completely in this, mainly because I [I]have[I] been feeling kind of odd sometimes in the chest area which has had me worried for a while now. Nothing really significant, but noticeable.

    As for the polyp, I've been having some pain on my stomach for another while now. I remember when I was little having very painful like spams? on the upper part of my sides. I had them several times, although I can't remember how many, but when I told family members they would tell me that it was just 'air'. After going primal, I noticed that I didn't have them that often anymore. However there have been two instances where my sides have hurt like heck. First on my right side, then on my left, and the left one was the worst because I disticntly felt like something 'popped'. Afterwards, I've felt 'something' most of the times I eat, sometimes a little painful, but other I just notice it,until I decided to tell my dad and we went to get checked.

    This is getting too long so sorry for that. The point is that I *think* this could be related to my diet, maybe in the quality of meat that I eat, that I'm pretty sure is not all the time (hormone free, organic fed and much less grass-fed). Apart from that I'ce noticed that eating things too high in fiber ends up giving me lower stomach pain, so then what I eat mainly consist of not so great quality meats, which is what I think caused the thingy on my gallbladder.

    Again, I just want second opinions, based more on experience rather than what the tests say. Maybe theres a primal doc around here?
    My dad already went and ordered at the pharmacy statins so although they terrifiy me (from what I've read of them here), I don't see much of a choice in not taking them.

    Ok. I think that's enough information. What do you guys think?
    Last edited by Enilegna/hearts; 08-07-2012, 01:00 PM.

  • #2
    Man this sucks... I told my mom and she turned into a crying mess. My stepmom on the other hand told me to lay down the fat and have a muffin for Breakfast XD

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    • #3
      Read through the first two posts in the primer in my sig.

      The key thing is your ratios. You have two of your ratios there, but are missing Trig/HDL.
      Chol/HDL ratio (<4.5) Griff <5 - Yours = 4.34
      Trig/HDL ratio Griff <2 - Yours = 0.57
      LDL/HDL ratio Griff < 4.3 - Yours = 3.23

      I don't see anything to get worried about there. Those are excellent ratios. Your trigs in particular indicate that your LDL is the good 'type A' kind, not the bad dense 'type B' kind.
      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

      Griff's cholesterol primer
      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
      bloodorchid is always right

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      • #4
        I'm no doctor, but with HDL and Trigs like yours, there is no way in hell I'd take statins. If you have to try to make your folks happy, get the pills but don't take them--they'll never know. Meanwhile, build a case against them. Check out Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online

        Also, go to the Mark's Daily Apple homepage, use the search function to look at the many articles Mark Sisson has written about cholesterol and statins. Look for the Cholesterol thread on here, too.

        Since you are 20, they will treat you like an idiot, but don't give in!

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        • #5
          Statins screw up your hormones, which are derived from cholesterol. You are much too young for that
          Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

          Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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          • #6
            The key thing is your ratios. You have two of your ratios there, but are missing Trig/HDL
            These results only came with the two ratios I listed above. Below the results give some comments on the average ratios for CHOL?HDL and LDL/HDL for women and a Note which says Turbid Serum.

            Thank you for the Cholesterol post, I'm reading it right now and it's easier to understand.
            Last edited by Enilegna/hearts; 08-07-2012, 04:13 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by otzi View Post
              I'm no doctor, but with HDL and Trigs like yours, there is no way in hell I'd take statins. If you have to try to make your folks happy, get the pills but don't take them--they'll never know. Meanwhile, build a case against them. Check out Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online

              Since you are 20, they will treat you like an idiot, but don't give in!
              That's pretty much what happened. I said to my dad: wouldn't it be better if I changed my diet first to see if the numbers improve a bit? He said: "Didn't you hear the doctor!? Your numbers are above three hundred. Don't be so careless you're damaging your health." I didn't talked to him on the way to the Pharmacy, but I felt like a pretty lousy daughter because he just wants to make sure I'm healthy.

              I'ts more frustrating that my family is paying more attention to those cholesterol results than the thing in my gallbladder wall, which hurts and is more worrysome for me

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              • #8
                I'd also recommend going over to Peter Attia's series on cholesterol - it looks like Griff's primer is now somewhat out of date (newer research). It's a 9 part series ...

                The straight dope on cholesterol

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                • #9
                  Daughter. There's no real correlation with high cholesterol in women. Show him the studies!
                  Crohn's, doing SCD

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                  • #10
                    My total cholesterol was well over 300 last time I had it checked, and I ain't dead. I'm 41.

                    ((Gets on soapbox))

                    If you want to be healthy, stay off of statins. My two cents. (And I'm not a doctor.) Your dad can buy them for you, but he can't force you to take them if you don't want to.

                    And don't take my word for it. Look at the information that's out there, and come to your own conclusion. Google "Why statins are bad" and see what comes up. For that matter, Google "statins and women" and see what comes up. I bet it's eye opening.

                    ((Steps off soapbox))

                    Good luck with this. It can't be easy when your family wants what's best for you, but you are positive that you know better. Be strong, and make your decision with confidence. It's your life. Do what you believe is best.

                    I'm really sorry to hear about the gallbladder woes.
                    F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                    **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                    **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Annlee View Post
                      I'd also recommend going over to Peter Attia's series on cholesterol - it looks like Griff's primer is now somewhat out of date (newer research). It's a 9 part series ...

                      The straight dope on cholesterol
                      This is an excellent excellent series by Peter.

                      Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                      Daughter. There's no real correlation with high cholesterol in women. Show him the studies!
                      Actually, there is a correlation. Mortality increases for women the lower their cholesterol is....
                      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                      Griff's cholesterol primer
                      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                      bloodorchid is always right

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                      • #12
                        Hmm personally I think you're old enough now not to discuss your health with your parents! Parents can be weird about stuff like statins... my parents are both on statins, and they're otherwise very intelligent people (my mother was a doctor before she retired, so I guess she bought into the whole statin BS). My dad quit his morning grapefruit because apparently you can't have grapefruit with statins. I actually told him it was literally INSANE to quit eating a natural fruit so you can consume some unnatural chemical drugs. He just said "yes dear". I then told him that statins are dangerous and aren't even proven to reduce your risk of heart attack. Another "yes dear" . Sometimes parents won't listen to their kids because - I guess - they're the parents and parents always seem to think they know more than their offspring!

                        So yeah, I think mistake #1 was actually discussing this stuff with your parents, but what's done is done. In the meantime, maybe just shut up, keep going your own way and pretend to take your statins.

                        And yes PRETEND, for God's sake don't actually take them!!!

                        As I said to my dad "they artificially decrease some numbers, that's it... they don't actually SOLVE any health issues... if you've got health issues, then there are better ways to resolve them... such as right diet and right exercise". Again "yes dear"...

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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=JackieKessler;922937]

                          Your dad can buy them for you, but he can't force you to take them if you don't want to.
                          That's what I'm planning to do. I don't think he'll actually tell me to take them in front of him, so when he asks I'll tell him yes.
                          I did a quick google on 'side effects of statins'. I only need to read 'memory loss and diabetes' to know I have to be dead set on not taking them.

                          Good luck with this. It can't be easy when your family wants what's best for you, but you are positive that you know better. Be strong, and make your decision with confidence. It's your life. Do what you believe is best.
                          Thank you. Although I'm certain I'm making the right decision its always a bit unnerving when you're faced with a Doctor that has over 30 years in the practice. I'm studying art! What do I know about Cholesterol, right?

                          Plus, to anybody else I'm basically reading stuff off the Internet which doesn't really strenghten my arguments.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Iron Fireling View Post
                            Hmm personally I think you're old enough now not to discuss your health with your parents
                            I've been thinking this, like: 'I should have kept my mouth shut damn it..' but then I wouldn't have found out about the polyp, which is the main reason this started. Those tests results were just an additional check up; making the most of the doctor visit. I'm still on my under my dad's medical plan, so I doubt I would have gotten the sonogram done without him knowing.

                            "yes dear"...
                            I'll use this when they ask me. XD

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                            • #15
                              Well, now that you've heard from the 'real' experts, if you are still concerned, have a look at what you are consuming.
                              There are some who have high/unbalanced labs from CO and butter (as in BP coffee). Sometimes artificially increasing fat by consuming these items in large quantity is the problem.

                              That is not to say that you should give up these items; just use for cooking/seasoning instead of by the spoon or cup.

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