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  • #16
    Count me as another diabetic who practically reversed her diabetes. I say practically cuz I was drug free since Nov 2010 up until a week ago (durn insulin resistance & pregnancy). My numbers are still fine for a non-diabetic, but they want them insanely tight for pregnancy (90 fasting, 110 after meals).
    Primal is way more fun than SAD! My inner lioness is way happy with all the protein it gets, and good fat too
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    • #17
      If an individual has type II diabetes and has had it for years and has tried to "control" it with medications while continuing to eat carbohydrates they are really messed up and are not really controlling their problem. Someone like this must eliminate nearly all their carb intake. This includes more than wheat. ALL carb sources. Until they have their blood sugar under control, if they are doing a primal/paleo diet, their carb intake should be below 40/50 carbs per day total. Actually, around 20 until blood sugar is normalized would be best. They must get their weight to an ideal point and they have to do some cardio/and resistance work. Just eliminating 90% of wheat is delusional and denial. The real question is does your family member REALLY want to save their life of just make a compromised deal? This family member sounds like he/she does not realize all the different foods that are loaded with carbs.

      Last edited by Moochy; 08-04-2012, 10:14 PM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dr. Bork Bork View Post
        Count me as another diabetic who practically reversed her diabetes. I say practically cuz I was drug free since Nov 2010 up until a week ago (durn insulin resistance & pregnancy). My numbers are still fine for a non-diabetic, but they want them insanely tight for pregnancy (90 fasting, 110 after meals).
        Primal is way more fun than SAD! My inner lioness is way happy with all the protein it gets, and good fat too
        Thanks, Doc! I'll pass this on as well.
        F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

        **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

        **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Moochy View Post
          If an individual has type II diabetes and has had it for years and has tried to "control" it with medications while continuing to eat carbohydrates they are really messed up and are not really controlling their problem. Someone like this must eliminate nearly all their carb intake. This includes more than wheat. ALL carb sources. Until they have their blood sugar under control, if they are doing a primal/paleo diet, their carb intake should be below 40/50 carbs per day total. Actually, around 20 until blood sugar is normalized would be best. They must get their weight to an ideal point and they have to do some cardio/and resistance work. Just eliminating 90% of wheat is delusional and denial. The real question is does your family member REALLY want to save their life of just make a compromised deal? This family member sounds like he/she does not realize all the different foods that are loaded with carbs.
          My relative honestly believes that he's very healthy, diabetes aside. He eats the right way, according to SAD, and he exercises quite a bit -- walks every day, multiple times a day; lifts weights at the gym numerous times a week. He doesn't sprint, but at 70, I don't know if I could convince him to give it a shot. I agree that he doesn't realize which foods are causing his blood sugar (insulin?) to spike -- that's part of why he's so frustrated. But it's very clear to me now that eliminating the wheat is simply a start; he has to work with his doc to readjust his level of medication, has to really suss out how many carbs he's eating and from which foods, and be committed to drastically reducing his sugar intake by cutting all non-plant/fruit carbs -- and even the fruit could be dicey. I most recently mentioned to him that there are many folks here on this forum who have either limited or very rare fruit intake, and that made an impression. I think that he, like me before finding MDA, believed that fruit is healthy, so it's okay to eat a lot of fruit.

          I think I need to find him a resource that's all about how to include more vegetables into his diet. After watching me make my breakfast omelet (three eggs, fresh bell pepper, fresh onion, minced garlic, either sauteed in bacon grease or coconut oil, scrambled with either uncured bacon or minimally processed chicken sausage), he's begun adding whatever veggies he has in the fridge to his eggs, typically broccoli, cauliflower, pepper and onion. He couldn't be happier with his breakfasts now. So I should scare up some recipe ideas for him for veggies besides the typical BAS he has every day with lunch and/or dinner.

          Thanks again, everyone. I'm so excited for him, and I truly hope that he's on a journey to defeat his diabetes through diet.
          F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

          **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

          **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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          • #20
            ALL carbohydrates affect blood sugar, therefore if he is still eating carbs, expect his blood sugar to be all over the place given that the system the body uses to control blood sugar is damaged in type 2 diabetics.

            In order to reverse diabetes type 2 and control blood sugar the only solution is to completely avoid carbohydrates for a number of years.
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            • #21
              I have been Primal for almost a year, I have lost 90 lbs, but I am still a type II diabetic. Don't sell your relative that this is the answer. It has worked for some people and not for others. Sell your relative that this is a healther lifestyle to live, but don't tell him that this will cure him. I still hope that someday I will be off all my meds like other people on this site, but it has not happend yet.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                I have been Primal for almost a year, I have lost 90 lbs, but I am still a type II diabetic. Don't sell your relative that this is the answer. It has worked for some people and not for others. Sell your relative that this is a healther lifestyle to live, but don't tell him that this will cure him. I still hope that someday I will be off all my meds like other people on this site, but it has not happend yet.
                Sensible advice. Some people have completely reversed the symptoms of their T2D, but even they still need to be careful. In my Dad's case, his had not progressed far enough to need medication for it but it was headed that way.

                Great work, Tormag.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  Sensible advice. Some people have completely reversed the symptoms of their T2D, but even they still need to be careful. In my Dad's case, his had not progressed far enough to need medication for it but it was headed that way.

                  Great work, Tormag.
                  Thanks, My thoughts are that it might have to do with how long you have been Type II. The longer you have been, the more screwed up your body is. I have been type II for 13 years. I might have just messed up my body a little too much. Every time I read a post from somebody on this forum that is below the age of 30, I am so envious of them for finding Primal Living so early in their life.....
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                    Thanks, My thoughts are that it might have to do with how long you have been Type II. The longer you have been, the more screwed up your body is. I have been type II for 13 years. I might have just messed up my body a little too much. Every time I read a post from somebody on this forum that is below the age of 30, I am so envious of them for finding Primal Living so early in their life.....
                    True^^^
                    Did you ever read the journal of TAWFunguy? He was one of the big posters here when I first joined and was a major inspiration to me. He inserted video diary clips into his journal. One day he was standing there in front of the VA hospital just bouncing up and down with joy as he told us that he had just completely befuddled the doctors who had 6 months ago diagnosed him with T2D because now they could find absolutely no indication of diabetes at all.

                    I'm glad my Dad "saw the light" when he did even if it was at 86. Better late than never.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                      I have been Primal for almost a year, I have lost 90 lbs, but I am still a type II diabetic. Don't sell your relative that this is the answer. It has worked for some people and not for others. Sell your relative that this is a healther lifestyle to live, but don't tell him that this will cure him. I still hope that someday I will be off all my meds like other people on this site, but it has not happend yet.
                      Thank you so much for sharing this, Tor. I'll definitely pass this along as well. He should definitely go into this (assuming he does) with his eyes wide open.

                      And RAH for losing 90 pounds!
                      F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                      **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                      **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                      • #26
                        Count me in - I was pre-diabetic and was able to yank my HbA1C and fasting and random blood glucose tests back into the low normal range on Primal.

                        But I agree with TorMag. The problem is that eventually, if you've been Type 2 for a really long time, the beta cells in your pancreas start to give out because they can't keep up with the demand for insulin to regulate your blood sugar. Once those beta cells are done for, "Type 2" is the same as "Type 1" for all practical purposes. Controlling diabetes is vastly easier if you also control your blood sugar through a low-carb, primal or paleo diet -- but drugs will probably always be necessary for someone with non-functioning or low-functioning beta cells.

                        At least, that's my understanding of it.

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                        • #27
                          I had really high blood sugar at the beginning of this year (A1C 11.6). I got way serious with PB. I had halved my blood A1C by April (I wasn't testing), and just got a glowing email from my doc that my latest A1C is in the normal range. All without meds. It is work, though. I try to keep my carbs below 30 gr per day and to always include protein. Too many veg's at once will make my blood sugar spike.

                          I can't find a protein powder which doesn't cause my blood sugar to spike. I don't eat fruit, or any king of grains, (OK. I have been known to eat a couple of slices of pizza. But not once a week or even once a month.) and I eat very little dairy. No sweet potatoes or beets or carrots. Very rarely I'll have a potato. My food is pretty much limited to the point of being boring, but I still think it's better than taking meds. Exercise is important for controlling blood glucose, as well. If I go for a major bike ride my levels drop like a rock. Tell your friend to test, test, test.


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                          • #28
                            Yep, and I've recently found out that just because your levels are normal after eating something sweet, it doesn't mean you can eat the same thing the next day.

                            I had blackberries and cultured sour cream. Measured out so that I stayed under 30 carbs. My b.s. level was well into normal(75). I checked an hour after eating, 2 hours after and 3 hours after - all normal numbers. Next day I checked my fasting level. It was higher, but still normal (82). I ate another serving of the blackberries in cream. My blood sugar level the day after that was 87. That means that even while having a normal person's levels and having my body deal with the fructose normally, I still have to give my body a break. It was still causing my numbers to climb.

                            I personally cannot eat much over 90g of protein without getting a spike in my blood sugar levels. It doesn't take "Much much more" for protein to screw me up. That's whole meat protein, too - not protein powder shakes(that stuff is crap and a bomb on your system).
                            Last edited by Lily Marie; 08-06-2012, 04:24 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Thank you, merryish, PrimalPotter and Lily Marie. I'll pass along all of this info.

                              Guys -- seriously, thank you all so much. The community here rocks.
                              F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                              **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                              **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Lily Marie View Post
                                I personally cannot eat much over 90g of protein without getting a spike in my blood sugar levels. It doesn't take "Much much more" for protein to screw me up. That's whole meat protein, too - not protein powder shakes(that stuff is crap and a bomb on your system).
                                I can't personally eat more than 65-70g protein in one sitting without feeling full, so I don't know how I would make it to 90.

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