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  • High GI Carbs for post Workout.

    Hey guys,

    My Question: Im looking for a good high GI carb that is not derived from Corn! All the Dextrose and Maltodextrin on sale everywhere is from corn, I cannot find any rice or potato Dextrose and Maltodextrin, really anoying.

    I did find that Dates had a GI of 103 but after some research found out that this was totally false, and Dates are quite low carb, Im looking for some high GI carbs that atrent high in fructose and sucrose, but not corn based either!

    Im looking for no grain based high GI foods, obviously potatoes and white rice are on my list of good high GI foods!

    WHY:

    I'm planing to bulk and using the protocol in this science backed book (carbbackloading.com), the gist of it is as the day goes on your insulin resistance grows, so you are much more insulin resistant in the evening than the morning.

    Resistance training has an effect on the muscles that resembles what insulin does but without insulin, the advantage is it doesn't affect fat tissue (tested on diabetic patients, whose blood was cleared of glucose after resistance training without insulin being released, fat cells did not absorb any sugar!), so if you ingest high GI your insulin will spike and your muscles will get a double whammy of glucose, they will absorb sugar at a higher rate depleting it before your fat could absorb much sugar, because it was high GI carbs it gave a quick insulin spike but thebn the insulin normalised meaning the fat tissue had not enough time to absorb sugar, while the muscles got the most of it, (stay away from sucrose and fructose!!!).
    Last edited by gorski; 08-03-2012, 03:39 AM.
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  • #2
    Whey? It makes your insulin go high.
    Take a walk on the wild side.

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    • #3
      I backload. I ran out but i usually buy "rilose" for my shakes. Its rice sugar. Pretty sweet stuff lol.

      Your going to get shit for the backloading just to warn you ahead of time. There really arent many powerlifters/bodybuilders/heavy resistance trainees around here it seems.

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      • #4
        i do a lot of heavy resistance training and HIT/explosive training, and am always looking for the best strategy in terms of carb consumption, in order to achieve a good balance between performance and body composition. i've experimented with VLC, LC, and whatnot, and i currently alternate between high carb days and low carb days, with my most strenuous workouts being high carb days. so clue me in here, because i'm not buying the book. the concept is low carb all day, then high/moderate carb intake strictly post workout? what about carb consumption on rest days? and the carbs can't be sucrose or fructose?

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        • #5
          Thats basically it. Fast in the morning or "skip" breakfast. You can have a coffee with coconut oil. Then lunch is high fat and protein. Post workout is a shake with whey and high GI carbs. Dinner eat lean protein and some more carbs. Before bed/dessert is where you can get "dirty" but obv on a primal forum maybe some homemade ice cream with bananas and some chocolate would be good.

          Off days are all protein and fat.

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          • #6
            interesting. it's actually not that dramatically different than the way i'm eating now. and i got myself to this point through pretty much just trial and error

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            • #7
              Lots of unicorn sightings in this thread.

              The bottom line is that performance and body composition are directly related to the amount of CHOs ingested; not whether those CHOs are simple/complex or low GI/high GI.


              CITES
              1. No difference in body weight decrease between a low-glycemic-index and a high-glycemic-index diet but reduced LDL cholesterol after 10-wk ad libitum intake of the low-glycemic-index diet. Sloth B, Krog-Mikkelsen I, Flint A, Tetens I, Björck I, Vinoy S, Elmståhl H, Astrup A, Lang V, Raben A. Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Aug;80(2):337-47.

              2. No effect of a diet with a reduced glycaemic index on satiety, energy intake and body weight in overweight and obese women. Aston LM, Stokes CS, Jebb SA. Int J Obes (Lond). 2008 Jan;32(1):160-5. Epub 2007 Oct 9.

              3. Glycemic response and health–a systematic review and meta-analysis: relations between dietary glycemic properties and health outcomes. Livesey G, Taylor R, Hulshof T, Howlett J. Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Jan;87(1):258S-268S.

              4. The effects of low and high glycemic index foods on exercise performance and beta-endorphin responses. Jamurtas AZ, Tofas T, Fatouros I, Nikolaidis MG, Paschalis V, Yfanti C, Raptis S, Koutedakis Y. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2011 Oct 20;8:15.
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              • #8
                Theres no unicorn sightings. Its a proven program and it works. I lost 25 pounds of basically fat, 5" off my waist, and my numbers are all up. You can list all the citiations you want, Kiefers work does the same. Its all what you want to believe more and do.

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                • #9
                  That's great, and some people believe in unicorns too.

                  You would have lost even more than twenty five pounds by eating Twinkies though...see how your logic works?
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                  • #10
                    @stackingplates

                    i have to say that i have seen you post on quite a few threads on this forum, and definitely think you're an interesting character. i actually tend to agree with you on a few things, and think there are quite a lot of unicorn on this forum for sure. way too many people looking for the easy way out, while looking directly past obvious answers, etc...

                    anyway, i actually have 2 questions for you. one is out of pure curiosity and the other is more serious. 1-if you aren't in to eating paleo or anything like it, why do you frequent this site? and 2-what is your current body composition/training program/diet like?

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                    • #11
                      What logic did i even post? I said i tried backloading, and it worked. Thats it. I never told anyone to do it. People on this board dont want to step out of the ordinary (of paleo) and try something different. Its not like some joe-blow came up with it. The guy is a nutrition scientist so i would think he knows a few things about how the body works.

                      If its ALL about calories in and out, how the hell did i manage to put on more muscle while losing that weight?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by not on the rug
                        1-if you aren't in to eating paleo or anything like it, why do you frequent this site?
                        2-what is your current body composition/training program/diet like?
                        I don't believe I've said that i don't eat anything like it. I've always advocated that a diet based primarily on whole, minimally processed foods is ideal for health and body composition. Where Paleo™ evangelists go off the tracks is when they arbitrarily rule foods off limits. At best this is psuedo-science, at worst it is just plain dangerous as it sets impressionable folks up for bad relationships with food in the long run. As Choco said in one of his recent threads, "if 1000 people read my posts and only 1 has their eyes opened then that's good enough for me" (paraphrasing).

                        Currently high single digit BF% and a resistance training program not for the feint of heart (4-5 day split marathon sessions that make average folks quit - yes, I've had multiple partners do so). Training days ~3500-4000kCals and rest days ~2500-3000kCals (might have to increase, monitoring for a few weeks). Currently on project 185 followed by project 190...all the while maintaining single digits. Recent picture (about five pounds ago) on my latest site post...

                        Originally posted by stumprrp
                        What logic did i even post? I said i tried backloading, and it worked. Thats it. I never told anyone to do it. People on this board dont want to step out of the ordinary (of paleo) and try something different. Its not like some joe-blow came up with it. The guy is a nutrition scientist so i would think he knows a few things about how the body works. If its ALL about calories in and out, how the hell did i manage to put on more muscle while losing that weight?
                        Ancel Keys was a scientist; do you know what an appeal to authority is? Do you know why it is a logical fallacy?

                        Although the metabolic processes for gaining muscle (MPS) while losing weight (lipolysis) exist (they are independent of one another), doing both at the same time is virtually impossible except when we are talking about "noob gains" or folks "riding the bicycle". You are free to believe that this carb back-loading is magic and I'll continue believing in unicorns so we have quorum.
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                        • #13
                          To eaches own I guess...its not noob gains...I've been powerlifting for 6 years...I don't care if its considered impossible but when my squat of all lifts goes up while my weight goes down something is going right.

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                          • #14
                            And you should be very proud as that is a great accomplishment. Just please realize that strength ≠ hypertrophy.
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                            • #15
                              I'm aware. I still got faith in the protocol and i think the OP should give it a shot as its easily done with primal. The only difficult part is the 10 day prep phase where carbs are left under 30g. Its not that bad though.

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