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  • #16
    In the bible/tora, the people of israel sacrificed cows, then ate it.
    Even Noah, you know, the ark guy, ate em on his ark
    Everything is bad for something - How do you feel today?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by anna5 View Post
      Nothing strange about it. She has a brilliant analytical mind, sufficient knowledge of biology and nutrition and incredible (for her age at least) ability to focus which allows her to look and find scientific proofs and present in a charming way.
      Not to mention she's totally hot!
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • #18
        Spend a couple of month not eating meat and dairy. If you feel better, keep on. if you feel worse, add it back in. All men must die. Enjoy the best quality of life till then, and don't worry what % of people die of cancer in China in 1956-1975 as compared to Papua New Guiney in 1948-1989...
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        • #19
          Yes, you have to look at the study closely. Most do not look at many factors in the diet. How do we know the meat eaters were not having a side of Mac and Cheese? A high fat diet CAN also be a high carb diet.. it is called overeating and is the main problem most people have. A lot of this comes from eating processed foods which grains take a huge chunk of. Any heavy person is eating too much fat and carbs. Do the studies track the entire diet day by day to view? If not it can only go so far as "evidence".

          It seems true meat does contribute towards acidic and possibly weaker bones. However, if you are eating a good amount of nuts, fruits, and vegetables, your body can maintain a perfect balance without sacrifice. Afterall, your blood pH is not supposed to be be all the way alkaline it is supposed to be slightly over the middle which means some acidic food is perfectly fine. However, add lots of processed grains to processed meat and you might have issues.

          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
          I agree that it's possible for people to be vegans while taking various supplements to supply the various elements that they would otherwise get from meat.
          Can you expand on these elements? The only thing really missing from a vegan diet, which can be perfectly healthy, is sometimes B12. However keep in mind, hunter gatherers likely got B12 from their vegetables since B12 comes from the soil.
          Last edited by statikcat; 08-03-2012, 06:09 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by statikcat View Post
            Can you expand on these elements? The only thing really missing from a vegan diet, which can be perfectly healthy, is sometimes B12. However keep in mind, hunter gatherers likely got B12 from their vegetables since B12 comes from the soil.
            I am not a nutritional expert, but ... I doubt that B12 is the only thing missing from a vegan diet. There also countless amino acids, proteins and similar stuff. Women are told to add countless animal derived supplements to help their bones (lactoferrin for example). Trust me, there is a difference whether this or that stuff went through some stomach factory or not. Something tells me that hunter gatherers sent this vitamin through some animal stomach before ... using it. Quite a difference.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by anna5 View Post
              Nothing strange about it. She has a brilliant analytical mind, sufficient knowledge of biology and nutrition and incredible (for her age at least) ability to focus which allows her to look and find scientific proofs and present in a charming way.
              You are being sarcastic, right?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by anna5 View Post
                I am not a nutritional expert, but ... I doubt that B12 is the only thing missing from a vegan diet. There also countless amino acids, proteins and similar stuff. Women are told to add countless animal derived supplements to help their bones (lactoferrin for example). Trust me, there is a difference whether this or that stuff went through some stomach factory or not. Something tells me that hunter gatherers sent this vitamin through some animal stomach before ... using it. Quite a difference.
                You are making things up. Because you doubt something doesn't prove anything. Which women are told to add countless animal derived supplements to help their bones, and who is telling them to do that? No one ever told me to do that, should I ask someone whether I should be adding supplements?
                Something tells you that hunters gatherers sent B12 through some animal stomach before using it. What is that something that tells you that?
                Last edited by KathyH; 08-03-2012, 06:44 AM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Leida View Post
                  Spend a couple of month not eating meat and dairy. If you feel better, keep on. if you feel worse, add it back in. All men must die. Enjoy the best quality of life till then, and don't worry what % of people die of cancer in China in 1956-1975 as compared to Papua New Guiney in 1948-1989...
                  Best advice ever.

                  Originally posted by anna5 View Post
                  I am not a nutritional expert, but ... I doubt that B12 is the only thing missing from a vegan diet. There also countless amino acids, proteins and similar stuff. Women are told to add countless animal derived supplements to help their bones (lactoferrin for example). Trust me, there is a difference whether this or that stuff went through some stomach factory or not. Something tells me that hunter gatherers sent this vitamin through some animal stomach before ... using it. Quite a difference.
                  b12 is basically the only essential vitamin missing from a vegan diet. And even b12 years takes years to deplete, so there's a good chance we can go long periods without meat consumption. Low carbers like to tell everyone how there's no essential dietary requirement for carbohydrate. That's true, but there's also no essential requirement for saturated fats or animal protein.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                    You are making things up. Because you doubt something doesn't prove anything. Which women are told to add countless animal derived supplements to help their bones, and who is telling them to do that? No one ever told me to do that, should I ask someone whether I should be adding supplements?
                    Something tells you that hunters gatherers sent B12 through some animal stomach before using it. What is that something that tells you that?
                    I am sorry but I don't function on this level. Find someone else for similar "conversations."
                    dr anna

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                    • #25
                      She's baaaack.

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                      Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                        Denise Minger is NOT a scientist, NOT a statistician (but she likes numbers, she says) and not a nutritionist. She is an English major who likes to write. Strange that people here always point others to her site when asked for a scientific proof.
                        Is that you, Dr. Campbell? LOL! What, specifically, did she get wrong?

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                        • #27
                          bahahahaha!

                          OOOH. I'm so impressed. {faints}
                          5' 9" 47 YO F
                          PB start June 2, 2012
                          Pre PB SW = 180 (no scale at home, Mom's scale January - 153lbs!)
                          Current deadlift 245 lbs, squat 165 lbs, bench press 135 lbs


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AuH2Ogirl View Post
                            Is that you, Dr. Campbell? LOL! What, specifically, did she get wrong?
                            Yes, there is some orchestrated campaign terrorizing non-vegans.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                              You are being sarcastic, right?
                              No, and I am not known for patience. I have little patience for ignorant and aggressive people who know nothing, nothing, nothing, but just have a short list of things to know - you buy at Tiffany, you look at the titles etc. You don't have to study art/art history for several years to be able to judge art well yourself, you don't have to know how academy works and what scholars/scientists actually do, just look at the label or title and buy or repeat.
                              You are ignorant.
                              Last edited by anna5; 08-03-2012, 10:07 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by joegambler0 View Post
                                I don't follow any particular lifestyle diet like Primal, Vegan, Vegetarian, etc.

                                Lately my concern has been meat and animal products

                                I seen Forks over Knives

                                animal products have the highest rate of cancer and heart attacks.


                                It says in the Bible we should adopt a vegan diet

                                it has been proven that vegetarian's live longer, animal products make our bodies acidic and cause inflammation.

                                millions of healthy, educated, intelligent vegans

                                Don't get me wrong, I'm not undercover here pushing towards Veganism.
                                Oh, I agree, calling it "undercover" might be stretching things.
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