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  • #76
    Originally posted by Radialhead View Post
    Rubbish. That thread was closed purely because Grizz kept complaining to the moderators. There have been far more abusive comments in other threads without them being closed.
    It would be against the rules to discuss moderator actions, but theoretically if a thread were to get numerous posts being reported without adequate reason by one (or more) of the more prolific posters on said thread, I would be completely unsurprised to see that thread being locked.

    Originally posted by Radialhead View Post
    Read the thread title - it says "Iodine: a discussion...". If you want a thread titled "Supplementing with Iodoral or Lugols: a discussion for people who don't want anyone to disagree with them" then why don't you go & start one, or take Grizz's advice & head over to the Curezone love-in.
    I'm in agreement with the general thrust of this paragraph. The thread is for discussing the merits of iodine, iodine supplementation, the rationale behind different dosage levels of iodine supplementation, and other related matters.

    We all need to be able to see that while others may have opinions that differ from our own, they're not necessarily completely bonkers
    Argue not with idiots, lest they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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    • #77
      I think a lot of Brits are probably iodine deficient since we don't have iodinised salt and we don't eat a lot of seafood (despite being an island nation!). Thus the iodine deficiency may contribute to minor health ailments. That said the people in the other iodine thread where flat out insane. "You have erectile problems? Iodine will cure what ails you!" "You aren't sleeping well? Try some iodine!" "You are fat? Iodine!".

      I supplemented like 10mg of iodine a day with Lugols solution for a few weeks, didn't make any difference to my health. So even if I am iodine deficient, its not a big deal.
      Last edited by AMonkey; 08-03-2012, 03:33 PM.
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      • #78
        Hi all

        Am using Nori (sushi wrappers) to wrap up my scrambed eggs for
        breakfast wraps! Sooo good!
        and because there's a bit of moisture going on with the eggs
        they stick and hold together pretty well.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Squidwashere View Post
          Hi all

          Am using Nori (sushi wrappers) to wrap up my scrambed eggs for
          breakfast wraps! Sooo good!
          and because there's a bit of moisture going on with the eggs
          they stick and hold together pretty well.
          That sounds wonderful.

          I also do nori wraps with tuna or salmon salad inside.

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          • #80
            Many of us "minions" were politely posting articles that show good reason to be conservative and do one's research when it comes to iodine supplementation dosages. I don't recall ever opposing people supplementing iodine, but I think that some of the levels suggested in the "protocols" may pose a higher level of risk than is sensible. Also, some of the "detox" symptoms at high doses are suspiciously similar to the symptoms of iodine overdose.

            Rational and reasoned disagreement isn't rudeness. It's normal debate, and if you cannot accept any criticism of your choices, then perhaps an internet forum is not the ideal venue for you, particularly one where people tend to be questioning sorts who want to read the literature for themselves and make informed choices.
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            • #81
              * Iodine deficiency is the main cause for thyroid nodules.
              * Thyroid Nodules Cured With Iodine


              Just a quick outline:

              July 4th: found a lump on my neck while looking in the mirror. Felt it...about the size of a small egg, moved up and down when I swallowed.

              July 5th: went to the health center, got blood test and ultrasound done.

              July 10th: results came back: blood test showed normal thyroid hormones. Ultrasound showed two nodules, size 2.9 and 2.1. Most likely benign but biopsy was suggested due to the size.

              Between July 5th and July 10th: I read online and found that Iodine deficiency is the main cause for thyroid nodules. I read the iodine threads on mda and jackkruse.com (I also post on those forums using the same id), asked questions there (thanks Grizz and others who replied) and started to supplement iodine from Saturday July 7th. I also ate a lot of seaweeds and oysters starting that weekend. I couldn't find Lugol's iodine or iodoral locally so I used potassium Iodide that my local vitaminshoppe carried for nuclear emergency... I was using about 50mg a day. The nodules reacted almost immediately to the iodide... the lump was obviously smaller right away, felt softer too, and became about half the original size within a few days. I ordered iodoral and lugol's online and when my order arrived I had just finished the bottle of potassium iodine so I continued to take iodoral 50mg daily.

              July 12: saw a doctor who again suggested biopsy. The only reason for the biopsy was the size of the nodules. He was also against iodine supplementation. But by then the lump has shrunk so much I knew I'm better off sticking to iodine. I also read online the potential problems with biopsy so I decided not to have the biopsy. Instead I'll take iodine for a few months and repeat the ultrasound to see how much the nodules have shrunk.

              Since then I have been taking 50mg iodoral daily with all the cofactors. There was a day or two I took more than 50mg, and there were days when I added lugol's to my water... I don't think I ever did more than 75mg in any day. Very mild detox, if any, mostly in the forms of stinky sweat, slight headache occasionally, and loose bowels occasionally. The benefits include increased energy, feeling more motivated, and oh I got so much done lately nothing seems difficult any more.

              The lump was not noticeable since a few weeks ago, and now is hardly palpable. I still see a small lump moving when I swallow but it's so much smaller than before... maybe less than 1/3 the size now.

              So this is my one month iodine supplementation summary. Will update again in another month.

              I'm taking 75mg today (37.5 at breakfast, 37.5 later).
              My experience - shrinking thyroid nodules with iodine supplementation at Iodine Supplementation Support by VWT Team (MessageID: 1970777)
              Youthfuliz will find out for us why her doctor told her not to supplement with iodine. We thank Youthfuliz for her heartwarming testimonial.

              For those of you who are serious about learning the Dr. Brownstein Iodine Protocol, join with the experts here at the Curezone:
              Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team, Page 266, Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper/kcmo:

              Doctors reports, iodine research, testimonials, procedures and more here:
              http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

              Grizz
              Last edited by Grizz; 08-04-2012, 08:58 AM.

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              • #82
                Someone frustrated the flounce off, en masse, to another site did not work

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                  * Iodine deficiency is the main cause for thyroid nodules.
                  * Thyroid Nodules Cured With Iodine

                  Grizz


                  ...SPAMMER ALERT...hebs









                  ps...please go away Grizz! We've already lost one thread because of you, don't make it two!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  • #84
                    How much KI (iodine)should I take?

                    The FDA has approved two different forms of KI—tablets and liquid—that people can take by mouth after a nuclear radiation emergency. Tablets come in two strengths, 130 milligram (mg) and 65 mg. The tablets are scored so they may be cut into smaller pieces for lower doses. Each milliliter (mL) of the oral liquid solution contains 65 mg of KI.
                    According to the FDA, the following doses are appropriate to take after internal contamination with (or likely internal contamination with) radioactive iodine:
                    Adults should take 130 mg (one 130 mg tablet OR two 65 mg tablets OR two mL of solution).
                    Women who are breastfeeding should take the adult dose of 130 mg.
                    Children between 3 and 18 years of age should take 65 mg (one 65 mg tablet OR 1 mL of solution). Children who are adult size (greater than or equal to 150 pounds) should take the full adult dose, regardless of their age.
                    Infants and children between 1 month and 3 years of age should take 32 mg (½ of a 65 mg tablet OR ½ mL of solution). This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing infants and children.
                    Newborns from birth to 1 month of age should be given 16 mg (¼ of a 65 mg tablet or ¼ mL of solution). This dose is for both nursing and non-nursing newborn infants.
                    More here:
                    CDC Radiation Emergencies | Potassium Iodide (KI)
                    Grizz

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                    • #85
                      Iodine Successfully Treats Breast Cancer


                      Image: Pet scan showing breast cancer )(red arrows) Courtesy of Wikimedia Commons. More photos in the article below

                      Dr. David Brownstein Reports Spontaneous Regression of Breast Cancer After Iodine

                      In his Iodine book, David Brownstein MD reports three cases of spontaneous regression of breast cancer after iodine supplementation.(1)(page 63)

                      The first patient, Joan a 63 year old English teacher, was diagnosed with breast cancer in 1989, declined conventional treatment, and took 50 mg per day of Iodoral, (Iodine). Six weeks later, a PET scan (left image) showed, "all of the existing tumors were disintegrating".

                      The second patient, 73 year old Delores, was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2003. She declined conventional treatment with radiation and chemotherapy. Instead, Dolores took 50 mg of Iodoral daily. A follow up ultrasound of the breast 18 months later showed," It appears that these malignancies have diminished in size since the last examination. Interval improvement is definitely seen," Two years later a follow up mammogram and ultrasound failed to show any abnormality and were read by the radiologist as normal.

                      The third patient, 52 year old Joyce was diagnosed with breast cancer two years prior (left image), and started on Iodoral 50 mg per day. Three years after starting Iodoral, her follow up mammograms and ultrasound exams show decreasing size of the tumor with no progression.(1)

                      Iodine Deficiency Causes Breast Cancer - The Overwhelming Evidence

                      Rest of the article with more photos
                      Jeffrey Dach MD Bio-Identical Hormone Blog: Iodine Treats Breast Cancer, Overwhelming Evidence by Jeffrey Dach MD
                      Grizz

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by hebsie View Post
                        ...SPAMMER ALERT...hebs








                        ps...please go away Grizz! We've already lost one thread because of you, don't make it two!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Hebsie is a spammer?

                        Seriously, it was post like this one of Hebsie's that inflamed the situation.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                          Hebsie is a spammer?

                          Seriously, it was post like this one of Hebsie's that inflamed the situation.
                          John,
                          You are absolutely correct, my good man.

                          I am available here to answer legitimate, polite questions and post factual messages. I will no longer be dragged into inflammatory, nit picking, rude messages by you know who. Any such messages will go immediately on ignore, without notice.

                          Grizz
                          Last edited by Grizz; 08-04-2012, 12:13 PM.

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                          • #88
                            To Grizz:

                            Welcome back! I am very glad to see you. Please keep a few things in mind and I think we can all get along.

                            1) Avoid any negative responses to anyone. Simply state your case and if others post a contrary opinion, so be it. If they call you names, then that is on them. (I kind of feel like this is your plan, so good for you!)

                            2) Avoid posting too many things at once. Allow time for digestion and discussion. If you are flooding the discussion, it diminishes what you are trying to say (just my opinion.)

                            3) Treat everyone with respect. Consider if you would say to them in a face-to-face conversation over coffee what you are typing. Treat everyone how you would like to be treated.

                            And to everyone else:

                            1) Grizz has a right to participate in this discussion, just like you.

                            2) Treat him (and others) how you would want to be treated. Also, consider if you would say to his face what you are typing.

                            Carry on with the new, civil Iodine discussion.

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                            • #89
                              How much Iodine do I need to take?
                              ==========================
                              There are no amounts that can be given as a blanket recommendation. Everyone needs different amounts based on their body’s ability to utilize the nutrients as well as the level of toxic halide exposure they have each day. If you are dealing with a severe health condition then your dosages would need to be higher than those trying to maintain good health.
                              a. Maintenance – It was once believed that a good maintenance dose is 25 mgs per day. But with more information being gained about the exposures to halides bombarding our systems (bromides, fluorides, chlorine) as well as mercury, etc.,
                              maintenance of health may require higher doses of iodine. The iodine doctors are now beginning to believe that 50 mgs may be the minimum required dose.
                              b. Cancer – Cancer is a result of mutated cells. Iodine is absolutely critical for something called P53 gene which is known as the “keeper of the genetic code”. Without iodine and selenium it will not function to eliminate abnormal cells from
                              the body such as cancer. Cancer patients have taken anywhere from 50 – 300 mgs / day successfully. Here is a good article on how P53 works with the mdm2 in cancer Enzyme's Cancer-promoting Activities Linked To Inactivation Of 'Genome Guardian' For
                              information on the P53 and Iodine see the Minerals for the Genetic Code book.

                              c. Children – These are the levels that I gave my children at the various ages. This is not meant to be a recommendation but a guideline for what was safe for my (Dr. Buist) children and others I have been in contact with.

                              General guidelines suggest .08 mg x the weight of the child but is dependent on the health condition.

                              i. Up to 3 years – 3 drops of Detoxified Iodine (Iodine Source - Your resource for detoxified iodine.) per day or take 1 drop of 5% Lugol’s solution in water and then take ½ of the water and give it to the child.his results in 3.125 mg / dose.
                              ii. 3yrs to 5 yrs – 6.25 mgs of Iodoral or 1 drop 5% Lugols Solution (6.25 mg)
                              iii. 5 yrs to 9 yrs – 12.5 mgs of Iodoral or 2 drops 5% Lugols Solution (12.5 mg)
                              iv. 9 yrs to 16 yrs – 25 mgs of Iodoral or 4 drops 5% Lugols Solution (25 mg)
                              v. 16 yrs and up – will depend on health issues, weight, etc and cannot be
                              given in generalities. Dosages range from 12.5 mgs to 300 mgs.

                              From Dr. Buists "Iodine Supplementation Guide" Download your own free copy here:
                              Iodine | Stepping Stones Living, LLC
                              There, I believe I've answered everyone's questions. Any more questions?

                              Grizz

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                                Youthfuliz will find out for us why her doctor told her not to supplement with iodine. We thank Youthfuliz for her heartwarming testimonial.

                                For those of you who are serious about learning the Dr. Brownstein Iodine Protocol, join with the experts here at the Curezone:
                                Iodine Supplementation Support Forum by VWT Team, Page 266, Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper/kcmo:Grizz
                                Perhaps her sensible doctor thought it wasn't a good idea to flood her thyroid with so much iodine. She may have "cured" the nodules but still given herself hypothyroidism as a side effect.

                                Also, since she refused to have a biopsy, she still doesn't know if the nodules were benign or not. She could have cancer metaticizing all over her body and she wouldn't know it. The ostrich approach to medical treatment at its finest.

                                For everyone who just wants an echo chamber about the infallibility of Dr. B, please do go join the "experts" at the curezone.

                                What do nuclear radiation emergency tablets have to do with anything?

                                Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                                Iodine Successfully Treats Breast CancerGrizz
                                Again, a report of a report from Dr. B. Who wants to sell you iodine.
                                Iodine is an essential element of a healthy body. Agreed. Therefor keeping a healthy level of it in your body probably helps your body protect against lots of things including cancer. However, iodine is not and never has been a cure for cancer. This is snake oil, pure and simple.

                                Cancer can and does sometimes go into spontaneous remission with or without any type of remedy. Dr. B got a photo of this and proclaims successful treatment and the gullible line up to give him money. For all we know, those could be two photos put in the opposite order chronologically as the tumor got worse.

                                "Dr". B is not a real doctor. He is a "research physician" paid by a company that makes iodine supplements and the supplements that you "need" to take with your supplements to avoid "detox" reactions which look suspiciously like iodine poisoning. The man is a huckster and I do not trust one word he says.

                                Grizz drank his cool aid and I feel sorry for him for being so easily fooled.
                                Last edited by Paleobird; 08-04-2012, 01:06 PM.

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