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  • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
    James will never answer your question
    The question was answered a long time ago. Just because you refuse to look for the answer this does not mean it does not exist.

    Originally posted by Grizz View Post
    No matter where you look, there is conflicting information on iodine. It is the Wild, Wild, Wild West where no 2 doctors can agree on ANYTHING except that iodine is required for good health. They can't agree on the type of iodine or how much.
    And therefore there is no agreement on what is a safe amount. So even Brownstein and Abrams don't know for sure what is a safe amount. What everyone does agree on though is that iodine can have side effects and can be dangerous if excess is used. Even Brownstein discusses some of the adverse effects on his website. So side effects and dangers are not unknown, just being ignored by some just like they have ignored answers to questions already given because the answer is not what they wish to hear.

    Originally posted by Grizz View Post
    Curezone Group[/URL] with more than a 5 year track record
    They are a joke!!! Vulcanel, Wombat & Trapper are only there to sell iodine with no regards to safety. They keep telling people with iodine poisoning that their symptoms are do to bromine detox instead then tell people to do salt flushes first, which actually removes the excess, poisonous iodine. Then they tell people to take even higher amounts of iodine while continuing to do the salt flushes, which helps reduce the symptoms of iodine poisoning. What a major scam they got going!!!

    And if you question the safety of iodine at all they go after you big time. Look at how they went after me for posting an article linking the iodine in milk to acne in some sensitive individuals. Wombat in particular would not let up. She wanted to make sure that I never posted any potential negative side effect of iodine again.

    Funny thing is that you keep falsely referring to me as a pharmaceutical shill since I don't agree with high dose iodine. What do you think the iodine products they are selling are Grizz? Yes, they are pharmaceutical drugs. And like the pharmaceutical companies they are doing everything in their power to make sure the side effects of their drugs are not widely known no matter how many people get hurt. So the real pharmaceutical shill here is you Grizz.

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    • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
      The half life of iodine in the body is over 50 days:

      Biological Half life of Iodine in Normal and Athyroidic persons
      Interesting study, James. I take it you noticed that the authors were involved in nuclear medicine and the experiments were conducted in a radiation counting chamber. I did notice tidbit this under their methodology: "The counting regime for diagnostic patients was begun within a week of the initial administration of 131I with repeat counts being performed at approximately 7 day intervals; however, the regime for therapeutic patients had to commence as quickly as possible to measure the rapidly excreted iodine." 131 I is radioactive iodine - but you knew that, didn't you?
      The researchers were treating patients with radioactive iodine, which really has not a thing to do with Lugol's Solution of iodine. Short of taking a one-way trip to Fukushima Prefecture in Japan, I sincerely doubt if the average person on this thread would be able to self-treat with radioactive iodine.

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      • [QUOTE=JamesS;938420][QUOTE=Paysan;938325]


        Originally posted by Paysan View Post

        You are assuming that a lot of these things will have bromine that we can be exposed to and that we will be exposed in significant amounts. For example, the fire retardants most commonly used in carpeting are boric acid and boric anhydride. Fire retardants for bedding are not always bromine based either, and in fact bromine based fire retardants for bedding have been on a phase out for years. As for pools, pools generally use chlorine. Bromine is sometimes used in spas. Which brings up yet another question. Why don't people using brominated spas develop the symptoms of bromism and the so-called "bromine detox?




        Yes, iodism (iodine poisoning) can cause breathing difficulty. This was my earlier point about the symptoms that were being attributed to the so-called "bromine detox" were actually from the iodine poisoning. But the people who are peddling the iodine keep blaming the problem on "bromine detox" to sell even more iodine rather than admitting that the people are actually poisoning themselves with way too much iodine.
        On the forums I do frequent, one point is made over and over that you do not need to pay those high prices (hah!) for iodine. I mean, look at the exhorbitant costs- the highest I remember was $26 for 10 oz of 5% Lugols. Horrors! Youtube has several videos showing how to make your own. Somehow, I don't think those iodine docs are making much money off their most ardent supporters. OTOH, w/o personal experience, I can only speculate how much money nuclear medicine can make off radioactive iodine.

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        • Originally posted by Paysan View Post
          Interesting study, James. I take it you noticed that the authors were involved in nuclear medicine and the experiments were conducted in a radiation counting chamber. I did notice tidbit this under their methodology: "The counting regime for diagnostic patients was begun within a week of the initial administration of 131I with repeat counts being performed at approximately 7 day intervals; however, the regime for therapeutic patients had to commence as quickly as possible to measure the rapidly excreted iodine." 131 I is radioactive iodine - but you knew that, didn't you?
          The researchers were treating patients with radioactive iodine, which really has not a thing to do with Lugol's Solution of iodine. Short of taking a one-way trip to Fukushima Prefecture in Japan, I sincerely doubt if the average person on this thread would be able to self-treat with radioactive iodine.
          I am really curious Payson, how do you propose they test for the half life of iodine in the body? Keep in mind that you would have to differentiate between the iodine already in the body and the iodine being tested for. Also keep in mind that the radioactive iodine is taken up and excreted just like the iodine in Lugol's and the iodine that potassium iodide breaks down in to. So again, how do you suggest they test for the half life of iodine in the body.

          Also, I take it that you also consider the rat studies on bromine half life from Kreiger's Handbook that you posted as evidence to be invalid as well since they used radioactive methyl bromide? Or does your rule only apply to evidence you disagree with?

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          • James, I won't get into a tit for tat argument with you. You have been at great pains to ensure everyone here knows your opinion, and where it is at odds with those who propose iodine as a partial solution to some problems. Your opinion is acceptable, as long as it doesn't denigrate another honest opinion also formed by evidence. You have been at great pains to demonize iodine and exonerate bromine. Pardon us if we got the wrong impression.

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            • [QUOTE=Paysan;939072][QUOTE=JamesS;938420]
              Originally posted by Paysan View Post




              On the forums I do frequent, one point is made over and over that you do not need to pay those high prices (hah!) for iodine. I mean, look at the exhorbitant costs- the highest I remember was $26 for 10 oz of 5% Lugols. Horrors! Youtube has several videos showing how to make your own. Somehow, I don't think those iodine docs are making much money off their most ardent supporters. OTOH, w/o personal experience, I can only speculate how much money nuclear medicine can make off radioactive iodine.
              Something does not have to be expensive to be poisonous. I can go out and pick oleander for free, which is very poisonous and can kill me.

              You also don't seem to understand simple economics. A person can make more money selling a larger volume of a product cheaply than they can selling less of the product at a much higher price. And by convincing your customers that you need even more of the product they go through the bottles faster than they would by using proper doses. Of course if your customers are getting sick from poisoning themselves from the product they are not going to stick with it. So they need to convince their customers that their symptoms are not from the product, but at the same time make sure they are treating their iodine poisoning with salt flushes so they go through those bottles of iodine faster so they can sell more.

              As far as there being instructions on the internet so what? Most people will not take the time to make their own. You can find the instructions for making Silly Putty inline as well but the makers are still making a great living off of selling the stuff because most people will not take the time to make their own.

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              • Originally posted by Paysan View Post
                James, I won't get into a tit for tat argument with you. You have been at great pains to ensure everyone here knows your opinion, and where it is at odds with those who propose iodine as a partial solution to some problems. Your opinion is acceptable, as long as it doesn't denigrate another honest opinion also formed by evidence.
                What evidence? You mean like the book that supposedly claimed that iodine pushed more bromine out through the urine even though links to the book showed this was never stated? Or the same book that was discussing rat studies using radioactive methyl bromide that you accept as evidence while implying that tests with radioactive iodine do not count? By the way I am still waiting for your answer as to how you expect them to measure the half life of iodine in the body. Or the same book that showed a very rapid elimination of bromide from the body that you ignored even though you posted the evidence?

                Originally posted by Paysan View Post
                You have been at great pains to demonize iodine and exonerate bromine. Pardon us if we got the wrong impression.
                How have I demonized iodine? I have CLEARLY stated various times that iodine is essential to the body just like water. But I have also stated that too much of either can be dangerous. Am I wrong? Please answer, was I wrong or not?

                As for the bromine how have I exonerated bromine? Again, I have CLEARLY stated that bromine can be toxic. But as with iodine this would take a significant exposure and build up, which is very rare partially due to its rapid excretion and the higher exposure to other compounds that increase its excretion rate even more.

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                • I made my own iodine

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                  • Originally posted by Ferti View Post
                    I made my own iodine
                    I didn't know you had your own personal nuclear reactor.

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                    • Wash.

                      Rinse.

                      Repeat.

                      I may not necessarily agree with his posting style, but the content of what JamesS is saying makes absolute sense. Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?) but isn't he basically saying that there is no "standard" dose that will work for everyone and that we need to use caution when adding supplements...any supplements...and to err on the lower side rather than the higher side. More is not necessarily better. Unless you're talking kettle chips. Then more is definitely better.

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                      • and again, just because someone disagrees on safe dosage DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE 'DEMONIZING' ANYTHING

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                        • Originally posted by RobinNM View Post
                          Wash.

                          Rinse.

                          Repeat.

                          I may not necessarily agree with his posting style, but the content of what JamesS is saying makes absolute sense. Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?) but isn't he basically saying that there is no "standard" dose that will work for everyone and that we need to use caution when adding supplements...any supplements...and to err on the lower side rather than the higher side. More is not necessarily better. Unless you're talking kettle chips. Then more is definitely better.
                          You and your dammed salty snacks are trying to KILL Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
                          Yes... I'm jealous. Frickin low sodium diet. *sobbbbssss*
                          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                          • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                            Iodine can cause breakouts on some individuals since the iodine can inflame the pores as i is excreted through the skin. This has nothing to do with bromine. Same reason milk has been known to cause acne in some individuals. The milk has high levels of iodine that inflames the pores.
                            And bromide can't cause break outs - FU JamesS. Sorry, I'm not particularly articulate.

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                            • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                              I didn't know you had your own personal nuclear reactor.
                              [QUOTE=JamesS;939082][QUOTE=Paysan;939072]
                              Originally posted by JamesS View Post


                              As far as there being instructions on the internet so what? Most people will not take the time to make their own. You can find the instructions for making Silly Putty inline as well but the makers are still making a great living off of selling the stuff because most people will not take the time to make their own.
                              sorry, my posting skills suck, but once again "I MADE MY OWN" (without a nuclear reactor)

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                              • [QUOTE=Ferti;939309][QUOTE=JamesS;939082]
                                Originally posted by Paysan View Post

                                sorry, my posting skills suck, but once again "I MADE MY OWN" (without a nuclear reactor)
                                How do you make iodine? I'm too lazy to Google that right now.

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