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  • a final comment

    everyone agrees about the temporary shutdown mechanism of the thyroid to the presence of excess iodine available in serum. this level of exposure is achieved in a nuclear emergency with 130mg of iodine for an adult. now i dont care if youre an evolutionist or a creationist, there can be only one reason for such a mechanism - exposure to iodine levels above 130mg a day in nature.

    good luck to you all.

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    • how would one get that much iodine from nature in the past, whole food, hunter gatherer lifestyle
      beautiful
      yeah you are

      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
      lol

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      • Originally posted by Quarry View Post
        Now I am not sure I am comparing right too...what to do when there are more then one form of iodine. What kelp capsules are you using Bosnic?
        This one:

        Herbs: Kelp - Guaranteed to contain 0.06% iodine.

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        • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
          how would one get that much iodine from nature in the past, whole food, hunter gatherer lifestyle
          Raw thyroid binge eating? Lol. The guy's hypothesis is completely flawed. An evolutionary process is not required to explain hyperthyroidism.

          If you drink cement, your digestive system will probably shutdown too... Must be because we often drank cement in the past.

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          • Originally posted by Bosnic View Post
            Raw thyroid binge eating? Lol. The guy's hypothesis is completely flawed. An evolutionary process is not required to explain hyperthyroidism.

            If you drink cement, your digestive system will probably shutdown too... Must be because we often drank cement in the past.
            Possibly those summer days spent at the seashore cramming clams, molluscs, seaweeds, and whatever swam by gave inland natives a years' supply of iodine with which to return to a more usual hunting existence when fat/ meat was the primary food. For sure, they were much more active (hyper) in hot weather than in cold. Most of us are!;-)

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            • Still hoping someone can answer my earlier post:

              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post932949

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              • O. M. G! Where to start?
                1st - forget about the popcorn, this is a gummy worm eating thread

                Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                If you want this to be in an iodine supplement group, y'all should be prepared to fight against people like James who are intent on destroying iodine for being "Poisonous" & "Toxic."
                2nd - This thread is not an iodine supplement group. It is clearly labeled as "a discussion , and perhaps a civilized debate"

                Originally posted by longing2bfit View Post
                Grizz he can't make me do anything one way or the other and hun neither can you! I am the only boss of me! (although my DH does try occasionally) This thread was started by sceptic as a discussion thread not an Iodine protocol thread. I do take a small amount of iodine because I choose to. But I do not need to defend that right to him or you or anyone! You guys are not giving any of us credit for any intelligence of our own. Why?
                3rd - This ^

                Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                this has become the most pathetic spectacle between adults i have ever seen

                that includes little league fathers punching coaches
                little league fathers punching thei sons for failing to win the game
                and my ex trying to beg me back after threatening to kill me
                4th - iLove you bloodorchid (and you too pandapants! - I have no magical powers either )

                Originally posted by Sceptic View Post
                5th - This is the BEST link on the entire thread!!!
                Thank you Sceptic.

                ~~~

                Now how about some "discussion and civilized debate"??
                If not, can you guys wait about a half hour before you continue? I ran out of gummy worms
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                • i love you and your little dogs too
                  beautiful
                  yeah you are

                  Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                  lol

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                  • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
                    5th - This is the BEST link on the entire thread!!!
                    Thank you Sceptic.

                    Now how about some "discussion and civilized debate"??
                    If not, can you guys wait about a half hour before you continue? I ran out of gummy worms
                    Oh that link is priceless. How did I miss that amidst the melee?
                    Sorry, no gummy worms. Got some SeaSnax though. Wasabi, onion, or chipotle flavor. Want some? Great way to get your iodine. Somehow reading this thread always makes me feel like having a pack or two.

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                    • Originally posted by Paysan View Post
                      Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                      Thyroid. 2001 May;11(5):493-500.

                      ...
                      Possibly the presence of autonomous thyroid function permits the synthesis and release of excess quantities of thyroid hormones. The presence of thyroid autoimmunity in patients residing in iodine-insufficient areas who develop iodine-induced hyperthyroidism has not been unanimously observed. In iodine-sufficient areas, iodine-induced hyperthyroidism has been reported in euthyroid patients with previous thyroid diseases.
                      Let me see if I understand this -the thyroid has protective mechanisms built in to protect against excess iodine. Moreover, in persons previously treated for thyroid diseases, excess iodine may cause hyperthyroidism. 300 mg of amiodarone daily, far above the normal requirements for iodine, can have such an effect. But unlike iodine, amiodarone builds up in the body and is not excreted on a daily basis. Therefore, this study is not comparing apples with apples, nor iodine ill-effects with an easily excreted iodine, but a recognized long lasting drug. Am I correct so far?
                      I'm not sure that it is actually a protective design feature of the thyroid, excess Iodine (potassium Iodide) can be used to block thyroid function in cases of Hyperthyroid conditions, and was the treatment before drugs became available, but getting dosage right can be a bit tricky, but as I understand it if excessive high levels are maintained then effectively one can become Hypothyroid with minimal thyroid function even though there is more than enough iodine present.
                      So I would see it as an effect more than a protective feature, the effect being excess iodine blocks up the thyroid hormone production line, which can not resume normally until Iodine levels fall.
                      "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                      • Originally posted by organicsteve View Post
                        everyone agrees about the temporary shutdown mechanism of the thyroid to the presence of excess iodine available in serum. this level of exposure is achieved in a nuclear emergency with 130mg of iodine for an adult. now i dont care if youre an evolutionist or a creationist, there can be only one reason for such a mechanism - exposure to iodine levels above 130mg a day in nature.
                        That turns out not to be the case. You're assuming the whole 130mg is necessary for that shutdown effect. And it may be an extreme result of a process that's actually evolved to protect against lower levels of excess iodine, anyway.
                        Argue not with idiots, lest they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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                        • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
                          Now how about some "discussion and civilized debate"??
                          If not, can you guys wait about a half hour before you continue?
                          Kind of was back on track?

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                          • Originally posted by organicsteve View Post
                            everyone agrees about the temporary shutdown mechanism of the thyroid to the presence of excess iodine available in serum. this level of exposure is achieved in a nuclear emergency with 130mg of iodine for an adult. now i dont care if youre an evolutionist or a creationist, there can be only one reason for such a mechanism - exposure to iodine levels above 130mg a day in nature.

                            good luck to you all.
                            Just had another search around regarding the Iodine blocking effect, this abstract describes some of the issues in more detail:
                            Iodine-Induced hypothyroidism. [Thyroid. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

                            Seems the effect only lasts a few days in most people until the Thyroid adapts to the higher levels, but in some it may trigger a cascade that could result in permanent Hypothyroidism.
                            "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                            • Wow it got quiet around here. I am wondering if certain parties have been warned/suspended or something? Maybe the discussion will be more pleasant (if not as amusing.)

                              An update from me: I was titrating up and taking around 30mg of Iodine and feeling just fine. However, James' questions about the whole Bromine poisoning falsity and questioning how Iodine would displace Bromine when it really happens the other way around (which was a question I also had) have caused me to lower my dose back down to 5mg (2 drops 2% Lugols). I feel this is definitely a safe amount.

                              Not sure I agree with the whole Iodine poison thing at 100mg (seems too low an amount to create an issue unless you have an underlying condition), but I am happy at my 5mg for now.

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                              • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                                Wow it got quiet around here. I am wondering if certain parties have been warned/suspended or something? Maybe the discussion will be more pleasant (if not as amusing.)
                                The battle has moved to the "Soy" thread.

                                I haven't done any Iodine because I ran out and need to make my own. Just need the distilled water now.

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