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  • Presse Med. 2002 Oct 26;31(35):1658-63.

    [Adaptation of thyroid function to excess iodine].

    [Article in French]

    Aurengo A, Leenhardt L, Aurengo H.

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    Service de médecine nucléaire, Groupe hospitalier Pitié-Salpêtrière, 83 bd de l'Hôpital 75651 Paris.

    Abstract

    NORMALLY: The production of thyroid hormones is normally stable, despite iodine supplies that may vary widely and even on sudden excess iodine. The metabolism of iodine is characterised by adapted thyroid uptake, the requirements varying on the age and physiological status of the individual (pregnancy, breastfeeding) and by insufficient supplies in several areas in France. IN THE CASE OF EXCESS: The mechanisms that permit the thyroid to adapt to a sudden or chronic excess of iodine are immature in the newborn and sometimes deficient in adults, and may lead to iodine-induced dysthyroidism. Thanks to the recent progress made in thyroid physiology, these mechanisms are now better known. PATHOLOGICAL IMPACT: Iodine-induced hyperthyroidisms in a healthy or pathological thyroid are frequent. They are predominantly related to amiodarone. Iodine-related hypothyroidism frequently appears in cases of pre-existing thyroid diseases (asymptomatic autoimmune thyroiditis, for example). They are frequent in the newborn, notably in the premature. The iodine prophylaxis organised in Poland following the Tchernobyl accident led to very few pathological consequences in adults or children.

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    • Don't need to read a GRIZZ post anymore, nor PALEOBIRD.
      Scroll to next post.

      Don't need to read a JamesS post with GRIZZ or PALEOBIRD anywhere in the text (Read until you encounter either screen name, then scroll to next post).

      Don't need to read any post by any poster with any reference to GRIZZ or PALEOBIRD (Just scroll on brother!).

      organicsteve is beoming one you may read or scroll past (this includes references to organicsteve).

      Pause at humerous posts about all the shit being kicked up, then keep scrolling.

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      • I learned that Cori goes commando.
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        • Thyroid. 2001 May;11(5):493-500.

          Iodine excess and hyperthyroidism.

          Roti E, Uberti ED.

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          Università di Parma, Cattedra di Endocrinologia, Italy.

          Abstract

          150 microg iodine are daily required for thyroid hormone synthesis. The thyroid gland has intrinsic mechanisms that maintain normal thyroid function even in the presence of iodine excess. Large quantities of iodide are present in drugs, antiseptics, contrast media and food preservatives. Iodine induced hyperthyroidism is frequently observed in patients affected by euthyroid iodine deficient goiter when suddenly exposed to excess iodine. Possibly the presence of autonomous thyroid function permits the synthesis and release of excess quantities of thyroid hormones. The presence of thyroid autoimmunity in patients residing in iodine-insufficient areas who develop iodine-induced hyperthyroidism has not been unanimously observed. In iodine-sufficient areas, iodine-induced hyperthyroidism has been reported in euthyroid patients with previous thyroid diseases. Euthyroid patients previously treated with antithyroid drugs for Graves' disease are prone to develop iodine-induced hyperthyroidism. As well, excess iodine in hyperthyroid Graves' disease patients may reduce the effectiveness of the antithyroid drugs. Occasionally iodine-induced hyperthyroidism has been observed in euthyroid patients with a previous episode of post-partum thyroiditis, amiodarone destructive or type II thyrotoxicosis and recombinant interferon-alpha induced destructive thyrotoxicosis. Amiodarone administration may induce thyrotoxicosis. Two mechanisms are responsible for this condition. One is related to excess iodine released from the drug, approximately 9 mg of iodine following a daily dose of 300 mg amiodarone. This condition is an iodine-induced thyrotoxicosis or type I amiodarone-induced thyrotoxicosis. The other mechanism is due to the amiodarone molecule that induces a destruction of the thyroid follicles with a release of preformed hormones. This condition is called amiodarone-induced destructive thyrotoxicosis or type II thyrotoxicosis. Patients developing type I thyrotoxicosis in general have preexisting nodular goiter whereas those developing type II thyrotoxicosis have a normal thyroid gland. The latter group of patients, after recovering from the destructive process, may develop permanent hypothyroidism as the consequence of fibrosis of the gland.

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          • Originally posted by Gay Panda View Post
            I learned that Cori goes commando.
            Pfffttttt... not ALWAYS... just when inspired to by the good feelings provided by sufficient levels of iodine of course.
            I also wear the husbands short cut athletic boxers sometimes.
            What? They are almost identical to my ladies "boy shorts", but cover more cheek. *shrug*
            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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            • Presse Med. 2002 Oct 26;31(35):1664-9.

              [Hyperthyroidism due to excess iodine].

              [Article in French]

              Thomopoulos P.

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              Clinique des maladies endocriniennes et métaboliques, Hôpital Cochin 27, rue du Faubourg Saint-Jacques 75679 Paris.

              Abstract

              TWO TYPES: Hyperthyroidism may develop in around 10% of patients in excess iodine. It may reveal an undetected pretoxic thyroid disease (type I) or have been induced by excess iodine in previously normal thyroid gland or in an euthyroid goiter (type II). IODINE EXCESSE REVEALING THYROTOXICOSIS: In the former situation, symptoms appear shortly after the iodine load, thyroid scintigraphy shows significant uptake and therapy includes discontinuation of iodine excess, antithyroid drugs, potassium perchlorate and, if necessary, thyroidectomy or a therapeutic dose of iodide 131. IODINE-INDUCED THYROTOXICOSIS: In the latter situation (type II) hyperthyroidism may occur several years after the initiation of iodine excess, scintigraphy shows very low or no uptake, spontaneous remission is observed within six months, despite the persistence of iodine excess, and treatment is based on corticosteroids.

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              • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                Pfffttttt... not ALWAYS... just when inspired to by the good feelings provided by sufficient levels of iodine of course.
                Iodine supplementation and underwear have a lot in common.

                Do we need them? Why?
                How much do we need?
                How often do we need them?
                Should we choose organic sources or non-organic ones?
                Does underwear need a supportive companion in an undershirt, or are they okay to wear alone?

                We await your reply, Cori. Me and the underpants gnomes.
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                • Originally posted by ljbprrfmof View Post
                  Don't need to read a GRIZZ post anymore, nor PALEOBIRD.
                  Scroll to next post.

                  Don't need to read a JamesS post with GRIZZ or PALEOBIRD anywhere in the text (Read until you encounter either screen name, then scroll to next post).

                  Don't need to read any post by any poster with any reference to GRIZZ or PALEOBIRD (Just scroll on brother!).

                  organicsteve is beoming one you may read or scroll past (this includes references to organicsteve).

                  Pause at humerous posts about all the shit being kicked up, then keep scrolling.

                  from:
                  HOW TO READ 20 PAGES OF MDA FORUM THREADS ABOUT IODINE FAST AND NEVER LEARN A THING.
                  i have a VERY important question

                  were any of my posts humorous?
                  beautiful
                  yeah you are

                  Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                  lol

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                  • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                    i have a VERY important question

                    were any of my posts humorous?
                    Only the ones that weren't intended to be
                    Argue not with idiots, lest they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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                    • Originally posted by Gay Panda View Post
                      Iodine supplementation and underwear have a lot in common.

                      Do we need them? Why?

                      Yes, and No... there are SO many reasons!
                      Women may "need" them more often than men if they are still in their reproductive years , however... it may be just plain more appropriate for men to wear them MORE often, because having that thing showing just isn't kosher in most circles.


                      How much do we need?

                      Ohhhh, very much!
                      Sometimes we need pretty ones to fit our moods, and sometimes plain ones for utility.
                      Sometimes they are just plain NECESSARY...
                      Don't you remember your mother telling you "Wear clean underwear, just in case something happens!"...
                      Well, that something could be ANYTHING! From a trip to the Emergency room, to meeting the Panda of your dreams for steamy Magical Bamboo Forest make-out sessions


                      How often do we need them?

                      Honestly, this depends on how often one leaves the house for the men. They CAN go without if they choose to, but it's a risky proposition IMO. Especially if they are prone to wearing thin, cheap, polyester pants! I'd say that men should underwear up every time they prepare to leave the house. Safety first and all. For the ladies, it's an issues of the monthly circus... if protection is needed because she is in her childbearing years, underpants... wear em. If she is wearing a skirt and wishes not to shock her fellow humans sensibilities, wear them... other wise, be free sisters!
                      Keep at least 7 pairs on hand at any given time so that they may be worn daily, and then washed weekly, if necessary.


                      Should we choose organic sources or non-organic ones?

                      We should choose the underpants that meet the needs of all of our hearts desires. That may mean wearing unbleached organic hand-sewn cotton fuglies one day, and fuchsia sequin spangled thongs that would make Ke$sha squeal with dirty glee the next (no matter what gender you are)! Let your inner undie light SHINE!

                      Does underwear need a supportive companion in an undershirt, or are they okay to wear alone?

                      I'm prone to either or... all of the above is acceptable. Shirts while commando, undies while shirtless... naked, shirts with undies... roll with your feel. Let your iodine*spirit guide you. *groovy*

                      We await your reply, Cori. Me and the underpants gnomes.
                      My love to the gnomes... let them know I have replaced the teal lace booty shorts they made off with a few months ago, and in a smaller size!
                      Last edited by cori93437; 08-18-2012, 10:03 PM.
                      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                      • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                        The quote Grizz posted said nothing about Lugol's. Secondly, Grizz has repeatedly said that I have claimed Lugol's is poisonous when I said no such thing about Lugol's, so he is just lying once again.
                        FFS. James, I respect your posts. I don't respect those of Grizz. You blur the distinction between you and Grizz in the minds of others such as myself when you repeatedly debate him. Just ignore him.

                        Also, enough with accusing every post you think is misrepresenting you as 'lying'. Otherwise that word will take on the same meaning as 'trolling' within the iodine thread.

                        If there's something that you think is wrong, just say that and move on. I'd say that continuing to argue would cause the thread to degenerate but quite frankly, it's hard for Iodine on MDA to sink lower than it has already.
                        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
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                        • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                          Piscator,

                          JamesS is my hero, also. 3 cheers for JamesS.

                          grizz

                          Post #402. Oh how things have changed. Too bad this thread is fast approaching unreadable, it was good for a long while.
                          Fighting fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain since 2002.

                          Big Fat Fiasco

                          Our bodies crave real food. We remain hungry as long as we refuse to eat real food, no matter how much junk we stuff into our stomachs. ~J. Stanton

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                          • It was good. I don't blame James for defending himself, it was a rotten thing he even had to point out the inconsistencies and histrionics in the attacks, which were a waste of time to begin with - sour grapes.

                            Hoping there is plenty of interesting further discussion to be had.

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                            • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                              Once the receptors have been stimulated by the initial bitter taste it does not matter if you drink water. Even the saliva is going to gradually remove the taste. But with increased liver function there will be more of a "detox", which is why it is important to drink plenty of water throughout the day. Some people will develop mild flu-like symptoms initially, especially if they do not drink enough water.
                              Makes sense. Thanks

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                              • I've been away for a few days, just thought I'd catch up.
                                Sad to say I did actually read the last 20 pages, thankfully the last few were actually quite amusing.
                                I'm hoping future posts can add some value to what I know.
                                "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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