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  • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
    Furthermore, as I asked you several times I wanted you to start a new topic specifically to the dangers of soy you claim exist and I would address the claims. Instead you stormed off claiming you did not have time, yet you had plenty of time to go off on a childish rant about me on your journal and plenty of time to come back here and post with plenty of other off topic posts. When was your last post on this thread that actually had something to do with iodine?

    Now, once again since you clearly have PLENTY of time on your hands whey don't you post something productive like starting that thread on the supposed dangers of soy?
    OK, James. Just to make you happy, here is my opinion about soy. I researched the subject thoroughly post cancer, BTW. What I found is there are studies by the boatload to support either side of the argument. There are poorly done studies on both sides and very well done scientifically sound studies on both sides. (No I'm not going to post links. I did this a few years ago and didn't write it all down. Plus as Grizz shows us, just because you can put up a long list of links, doesn't mean the info is valid.)

    So what do I as a cancer survivor do with all of this conflicting evidence? I choose to err on the side of caution and cut soy out of my diet. A primal diet does not include legumes anyway and has much better for you and better tasting sources of protein. Bottom line, I'm not a vegan so I don't need soy in my diet, I don't particularly like it to begin with, and there is no consensus about the potential dangers (or benefits) of it.

    You have a habit of putting words into people's mouths and then attacking statements they didn't make. I said that there is research showing the dangers of soy. There is. Lots of it. I go with that position to err on the side of personal safety. I am not and never have been on an anti-soy crusade. Put down the broad brush you like to paint people with for a minute and you could actually see what someone says better.

    OK, happy now? Can we get back to iodine?

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    • Originally posted by longing2bfit View Post
      wow, thanks, is there anything else that can be done naturally to help with menopause? I am in a group and none of us take medication as we have all decided to go through it 100% natural but we have symptoms ranging from weight gain (a lot) increased blood sugars, migraines, insomnia, hot flashes, acne, low thyroid, hair loss to name a few. None of us take ANY meds of any kind not even over the counter! We range from early 50's to early 60's. I am the one suggesting herbs/vitamins to the group so I was designated the one to find out what kind! HELP!!

      #1 Bitters
      #2 ?
      Here is a link to an old write up I did on hormone balancing:

      Alt/Trad Medical Review

      There are other herbs that can help depending on the symptoms. For example, motherwort is great for hot flashes. And adaptogenic herbs can help with hormones since the adrenals become the primary source of hormones after menopause.

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      • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
        Your comments would carry a lot more weight if you jumped all over Paleobird when she kept personally attacking me simply because she never bothered to to her homework to verify what I posted. The fact that you are defending her actions indirectly makes you just as guilty as she is. What gives Paleobird the right to personally attack anyone? Especially when they are new here and posting evidence from medical journals to back their claims. Something I have yet to see her do.
        You're so cute when you pout.

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        • I do believe you are passionate in your beliefs about iodine Grizz. I really and truly believe that you are trying to do the right thing. I am passionate about health through food nutrition and when I first started learning and researching I would get so stressed out at not being able to reach people especially family and close friends. I had to learn the hard way to be more relaxed and let adults decide them for themselves whether or not they wanted the information I was sharing! If you don't calm down about what you are trying to share you will scare many that might benefit away and stress yourself into poor health. Just a thought Grizz that I felt inclined to share.chickenWalking.gif

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          • Originally posted by organicsteve View Post
            second, there is ample evidence against low dose of iodine coming directly from authorities. the CDC recommends 130mg of KI for nuclear emergencies.
            You said it yourself Steve, in cases of nuclear emergency. So using your ridiculous reasoning just because epinephrine (adrenaline) is used in various emergencies, including anaphylaxis, I guess everyone should be taking daily high dose epinephrine shots. Do you see how ridiculous your reasoning is?

            And if you even had the slightest clue of what you were talking about then you would also realize that the potassium iodide they recommend ONLY works for radioactive iodine. Not other sources such as the radioactive cesium released after the tsunami that hit Japan.

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            • Originally posted by longing2bfit View Post
              People get banned~like darthfriendly did!

              Why can't you just post your iodine positives and ignore the posts about the negatives and let everyone make up their own mind Grizz? It doesn't have to be a fight or a competition does it? It's good to hear both sides of the story right?
              grizz is insightful enough and cares enough to want to do something about someone who obviously has only one goal - destruction. most people arent used to this league of operator. people will learn, EVENTUALLY. lol

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              • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                Here is a link to an old write up I did on hormone balancing:

                Alt/Trad Medical Review

                There are other herbs that can help depending on the symptoms. For example, motherwort is great for hot flashes. And adaptogenic herbs can help with hormones since the adrenals become the primary source of hormones after menopause.
                um~ok thanks :|

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                • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                  You said it yourself Steve, in cases of nuclear emergency. So using your ridiculous reasoning just because epinephrine (adrenaline) is used in various emergencies, including anaphylaxis, I guess everyone should be taking daily high dose epinephrine shots. Do you see how ridiculous your reasoning is?

                  And if you even had the slightest clue of what you were talking about then you would also realize that the potassium iodide they recommend ONLY works for radioactive iodine. Not other sources such as the radioactive cesium released after the tsunami that hit Japan.
                  so you have contacted the cdc and asked them what damage to expect? what did they say?

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                  • Originally posted by organicsteve View Post
                    grizz is insightful enough and cares enough to want to do something about someone who obviously has only one goal - destruction. most people arent used to this league of operator. people will learn, EVENTUALLY. lol
                    I was being very respectful and non-confrontational in my message to Grizz. I don't appreciate being patronized like I am an idiot thank you. I said that I see Grizz is passionate and wants the best for people. But it is not his or your jobs to decide for us who we can listen to or get advice from. IF something happens in regards to whomever we choose to take advice from I promise I will not personally blame or seek damages from either source. I just think the pettiness of the fighting from BOTH sides is juvenile and takes away from the knowledge that could be passed on. I really don't have a dog in this fight either so I don't know why I even bothered. *sigh* But as a by-stander let me say it is HARD to watch this kind of inter-action and see a lovely site like this succumb to board wars between opposing members. It is very sad thats all

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                    • Originally posted by longing2bfit View Post
                      I was being very respectful and non-confrontational in my message to Grizz. I don't appreciate being patronized like I am an idiot thank you. I said that I see Grizz is passionate and wants the best for people. But it is not his or your jobs to decide for us who we can listen to or get advice from. IF something happens in regards to whomever we choose to take advice from I promise I will not personally blame or seek damages from either source. I just think the pettiness of the fighting from BOTH sides is juvenile and takes away from the knowledge that could be passed on. I really don't have a dog in this fight either so I don't know why I even bothered. *sigh* But as a by-stander let me say it is HARD to watch this kind of inter-action and see a lovely site like this succumb to board wars between opposing members. It is very sad thats all

                      +1

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                      • Originally posted by longing2bfit View Post
                        People get banned~like darthfriendly did!

                        Why can't you just post your iodine positives and ignore the posts about the negatives and let everyone make up their own mind Grizz? It doesn't have to be a fight or a competition does it? It's good to hear both sides of the story right?
                        I have a better question, why aren't you and all the others here FIGHTING against James for calling small amounts of iodine POISONOUS? I'm sorry, but I am not the bad guy here. I am the only one around here willing to support our right to take iodine & iororal at levels prescribed by the majority of iodine doctors. Our iodine thread will no longer be about iodine when James finishes brainwashing people that Lugols is Poisonous. You have all seen him REFUSE to answer a very simple question that requires typing no more than a few letters.

                        What is the maximum level of Lugols iodine in mg that you consider to be safe for most people?

                        He either ignores the question or he lies and said he already answered it. He answered it by stating everyone should eat seaweed & sea fish to get their iodine. That is what.

                        You people need to stand up and support your iodine, or a Master Troll like James will make you all fearful of iodine by calling it POISONOUS.

                        Grizz

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                        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Now, now, James. Let's not rewrite history. I never attacked you. I disagreed with *some* of your ideas. Big difference.
                          You haven't? What do you call this one from your journal:

                          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...d54851-74.html

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                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          James is indeed a piece of work. And you're right, there is no point in having a rational discussion with a crazy person. I signed off of that thread. Better things to do.
                          Do I have to define what personal attacks are to you?

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                          • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                            I have a better question, why aren't you and all the others here FIGHTING against James for calling small amounts of iodine POISONOUS? I'm sorry, but I am not the bad guy here. I am the only one around here willing to support our right to take iodine & iororal at levels prescribed by the majority of iodine doctors. Our iodine thread will no longer be about iodine when James finishes brainwashing people that Lugols is Poisonous. You have all seen him REFUSE to answer a very simple question that requires typing no more than a few letters.

                            What is the maximum level of Lugols iodine in mg that you consider to be safe for most people?

                            He either ignores the question or he lies and said he already answered it. He answered it by stating everyone should eat seaweed & sea fish to get their iodine. That is what.

                            You people need to stand up and support your iodine, or a Master Troll like James will make you all fearful of iodine by calling it POISONOUS. Grizz
                            Grizz he can't make me do anything one way or the other and hun neither can you! I am the only boss of me! (although my DH does try occasionally) This thread was started by sceptic as a discussion thread not an Iodine protocol thread. I do take a small amount of iodine because I choose to. But I do not need to defend that right to him or you or anyone! You guys are not giving any of us credit for any intelligence of our own. Why? And why am I being belittled for being nice and respectful to you Grizz? Thats really hurtful and sad. Again not sure why I am either bothering except that I hate seeing so much displaced passion and anxiety! Crap I feel my cortisol rising just thinking about yours

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                            • Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                              You said it yourself Steve, in cases of nuclear emergency. So using your ridiculous reasoning just because epinephrine (adrenaline) is used in various emergencies, including anaphylaxis, I guess everyone should be taking daily high dose epinephrine shots. Do you see how ridiculous your reasoning is?

                              And if you even had the slightest clue of what you were talking about then you would also realize that the potassium iodide they recommend ONLY works for radioactive iodine. Not other sources such as the radioactive cesium released after the tsunami that hit Japan.
                              "So using your ridiculous reasoning just because "
                              "Do you see how ridiculous your reasoning is?"
                              "even had the slightest clue of what you were talking about then"

                              There you go again being totally abusive to anyone who disagrees with you. You are totally an insensitive TROLL. This is is why you are thrown out of so many message boards. Calling me a LIAR on top of it? You just can't talk to people like this. Who in the H_LL do you think you are? God's Gift to message boards?

                              Grizz

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                              • Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                                Liver aside. James, what would your suggestion be for someone who had thyroidectomy and has high cholesterol, taking syntroid and Lipitor, feeling constantly tired, thinning hair and having numerous other alignments. Any suggestions on how to get a person like that to feel normal? The person I am describing is my mother and I don't know how to help her. Thanks
                                Synthroid is T4 only, if your mom is not converting it to T3 well, or converting it to Reverse T3, then it's not doing much for her. A natural dessicated thyroid like Armour or Nature-Throid is better. Armour reformulated theirs a few years ago, putting binders in that prevent absorption. My doc won't recommend it. I'm on a combo of Nature-Throid and a T3 only med, because of a RT3 problem.

                                The main problem is getting your mom to a doctor who won't go just by TSH and T4 test levels, which is how most endos operate. TSH is a hormone the pituitary makes, to tell the thyroid to make more thyroid hormone. Your mom has no thyroid and is on meds, so TSH cannot be relied upon.

                                Total T4 is the other test normally used. It shows how much total T4 the Synthroid is putting in her system, but she needs to test Free T4, which is the T4 that's unbound and available for her body to actually use. She also needs to test Free T3, to see how well it's being converted. Reverse T3 is also a problem for many people. Sometimes the T4 is converted to RT3, and that blocks T3 from being used by the body.

                                The high cholesterol may come down dramatically when she gets treated correctly for hypothyroidism. Colleen Coble, who's a member here, had her husband's cholesterol drop 100 points when his hypothyroidism was treated.

                                Go to this site and read up on thyroid. It's good for basics: Thyroid Mistreatment, Hypothyroidism Scandals, and Thyroid Treatment Problems | Stop The Thyroid Madness






                                Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                                If you are surviving on 6 ounces of beef daily as your only food source then you would be starving to death. What I was saying is that many foods contain sodium chloride. Beef was only ONE example. And as someone else showed a study for the sodium also displaces iodine. So your 6 ounces of beef provides 60mg of salt. How many milligrams of bromine are you getting daily? Is it less than your sodium intake and thus the sodium intake is overwhelming the bromine? And how much fluoride are you being exposed to that also pushes bromine out of the body?
                                James, James, James, are you going to fight with me too? Of course many foods naturally contain salt, but we don't eat like the general population. I was just pointing out that we don't have a high salt diet here. We don't eat canned soup, chips, packaged dressings or sauces, etc.

                                Originally posted by JamesS View Post
                                Not all asthma inhalers contain bromide.
                                I posted the ones that did a few days ago.
                                Last edited by Owl; 08-19-2012, 11:46 AM.

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