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  • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
    Now that you've found how to do the quotes you want, it would be easier (for me at least) to read your posts if they were NOT in bold.

    And thanks for some of the points you've raised - very interesting. With Oxide, Paleobird, Cori, radialhead and a few others also making well reasoned and balanced posts, this thread should really go somewhere worthwhile now.
    I went back and corrected all the posts now that I have this site figured out somewhat.

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    • On a side note... or rather back on the topic of Iodine.

      Yesterday while at the hospital having tests done I had an interesting conversation with a doctor.
      A neuroradiologist to be precise.
      A very knowledgeable and helpful doctor.
      (A side note for his quote of the day... "Doctors need to remember that patients don't read textbooks, and may not present in a textbook fashion. They also need to remember to keep their curiosity, and be the sorts of people who strive to piece together the puzzle, not sit behind a desk and check off boxes for a diagnosis.")

      Anyway, I was having MRI of my head done, both without and with contrast.
      So was asked about allergies.
      I have had a moderate/severe allergic reaction to CT contrast dye in the past.
      (The kind where you can't get any air, pass out, and they inject you with stuff... so, the bad kind, but I was in the hospital at the time so it was stopped quickly.)
      And the doctor was explaining the difference between the CT contrast dye and MRI contrast dye.
      CT contrast dye is iodine based!
      Yes... I'm allergic to iodine.

      I was really curious about that, iodine being necessary and all...
      And told him that because I have such a restricted diet (no added sodium, low sodium foods, etc) that I have been taking a small amount of iodine as a supplement.

      This is what he had to say... within the normal ranges of iodine consumption there is almost never any allergic reaction symptoms. When people eat iodine from food sources there is really no worry about reaction, even from kelp and fish/shell fish, because the body handles this iodine differently... it has to be digested to get it out, so it's like a slow release form... and excess can be excreted gradually as well.
      But when using iodine supplements that they CAN cause the allergic reaction because it's pure iodine all in one hit. It is jarring and unnatural to the body. Most people can withstand it, but it isn't the best way and should really be reserved for use for specific reasons... some medical issues, radioactive, etc. where the benefits outweigh the possible cost to the body.

      If it helps any he is an Asian man, and said to eat all the iodine rich seafood/sea veg I want.

      So... it's probably a damned good thing I never started popping big doses of iodine in pill form.
      I just wanted to post that there is yet another thing to watch out for... for anyone working their way up to BIG doses... it's called anaphylactic shock.
      While it is not common...
      It happened to me... it is a possibility.
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • And my father and one of my friends cannot risk even eating seafood as that seems to trigger their iodine allergies - so, not sure if even food-sourced iodine is tolerable. I seem to remember reading Brownstein making a statement that Lugols solution should be safely tolerated by those with iodine allergies. I don't remember the logic behind the statement - something to do with the organic vs inorganic forms...

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        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post

          <long rant with outdated "evidence" of how nasty chemo is.> Duh.
          <more ranting about the faults of the FDA> Nobody said the system is good.
          <lots of unsupported assertions about the ineffectiveness of allopathic medicine>

          You need to improve your reading comprehension. They did two attempts at a lumpectomy and failed to get it all as it was growing so rapidly. We then resorted to a full mastectomy followed by chemo to chase down any remaining cancer cells. Given the fast growing and invasive nature of the tumor, I think this was wise.
          I am trying really hard to be patient with your acting like a complete jerk with every post, but my patience is really getting thin!

          It has nothing to do with "reading comprehension" as you put it. In fact, if you had any reading comprehension yourself then you would have realized that I clearly pointed out that I had been reading posts over several days. But I did not read all the details of your post, which is why I wrote "Even you mentioned it was caught early and it sounds like they did a lumpectomy ". Hmm.... "Sounds like", which clearly shows I did not read your post in detail. Even if I had it would not matter since I am not going to remember every detail of every post of yours I have read because you simply are not that important to me!!!


          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          Dismiss as science fiction anything that does not agree with your opinion. That works.
          More reading comprehension problems I see. I was not dismissing anything based on not agreeing with my opinion. As I pointed out in my post I have a copy of the actual transcripts of the hearing. So I know for a FACT that the author was making up his claims. So don't go jumping on me just because I have actually seen the evidence and you prefer to believe whatever fits your needs whether it is true or not.

          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          What puzzling is not the content but the sheer volume. I have other things to do today. Do you?
          Why does it matter to you? We are not married!

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          • I am not sure if I am in total awe at Paleobird's efficient tenacity or completely put off by her constant criticism. Could it just be an Internet board crush?!?

            JamesS may be her match though. I am getting the popcorn ready.

            What is funny is that I am rethinking the amount of Iodine I want to take because of James's information, which I believe Paleobird would agree with.

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            • Originally posted by Piscator View Post
              And my father and one of my friends cannot risk even eating seafood as that seems to trigger their iodine allergies - so, not sure if even food-sourced iodine is tolerable. I seem to remember reading Brownstein making a statement that Lugols solution should be safely tolerated by those with iodine allergies. I don't remember the logic behind the statement - something to do with the organic vs inorganic forms...
              Yes, this is possible as well... but very rare.
              And if that is the case you are probably aware of your allergy at least, which is always good.

              For many other people food sources are fine including the sea foods where concentrations are higher than land foods, so that they have no clue of their allergy, or that they could have a severe allergic/anaphylactic reaction... but if they get a big sudden influx such as with a supplement *boom*.
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                I am not sure if I am in total awe at Paleobird's efficient tenacity or completely put off by her constant criticism. Could it just be an Internet board crush?!?

                JamesS may be her match though. I am getting the popcorn ready.

                What is funny is that I am rethinking the amount of Iodine I want to take because of James's information, which I believe Paleobird would agree with.
                Things James and I agree on :

                Iodine does not cure cancer.
                Iodine should not be taken in huge dosages.
                Reactions said to be "detox" are actually iodine overdose symptoms.
                Dr. Brownsien is a quack selling products.
                The baking soda guy is a quack too.
                Cancer is not a fungus.
                Dr. Mercola is not always the most reliable source of info.

                Places where we differ:

                The evil greed factor in medicine being so huge. BTW, I never said that big Pharma wasn't evil, just not to blame and bash the doctors.
                The efficacy of chemo.
                The health effects of soy.

                On balance, I like this guy a lot.

                And get the SeaSnax. They're better than popcorn and they have iodine.
                Last edited by Paleobird; 08-09-2012, 01:21 PM.

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                • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                  On a side note... or rather back on the topic of Iodine.

                  Yesterday while at the hospital having tests done I had an interesting conversation with a doctor.
                  A neuroradiologist to be precise.
                  A very knowledgeable and helpful doctor.
                  (A side note for his quote of the day... "Doctors need to remember that patients don't read textbooks, and may not present in a textbook fashion. They also need to remember to keep their curiosity, and be the sorts of people who strive to piece together the puzzle, not sit behind a desk and check off boxes for a diagnosis.")

                  Anyway, I was having MRI of my head done, both without and with contrast.
                  So was asked about allergies.
                  I have had a moderate/severe allergic reaction to CT contrast dye in the past.
                  (The kind where you can't get any air, pass out, and they inject you with stuff... so, the bad kind, but I was in the hospital at the time so it was stopped quickly.)
                  And the doctor was explaining the difference between the CT contrast dye and MRI contrast dye.
                  CT contrast dye is iodine based!
                  Yes... I'm allergic to iodine.

                  I was really curious about that, iodine being necessary and all...
                  And told him that because I have such a restricted diet (no added sodium, low sodium foods, etc) that I have been taking a small amount of iodine as a supplement.

                  This is what he had to say... within the normal ranges of iodine consumption there is almost never any allergic reaction symptoms. When people eat iodine from food sources there is really no worry about reaction, even from kelp and fish/shell fish, because the body handles this iodine differently... it has to be digested to get it out, so it's like a slow release form... and excess can be excreted gradually as well.
                  But when using iodine supplements that they CAN cause the allergic reaction because it's pure iodine all in one hit. It is jarring and unnatural to the body. Most people can withstand it, but it isn't the best way and should really be reserved for use for specific reasons... some medical issues, radioactive, etc. where the benefits outweigh the possible cost to the body.

                  If it helps any he is an Asian man, and said to eat all the iodine rich seafood/sea veg I want.

                  So... it's probably a damned good thing I never started popping big doses of iodine in pill form.
                  I just wanted to post that there is yet another thing to watch out for... for anyone working their way up to BIG doses... it's called anaphylactic shock.
                  While it is not common...
                  It happened to me... it is a possibility.
                  It really depends on the organs being scanned and the type of contrast used. If intravenous is used (mostly for the abdomen and gastointestinal system) then it is it is probably iodine. If oral route is used it could be barium sulfate (white milk shake like consistency)or Gastrografin (water and iodine mixed). There is also a gas that is inhaled for some lung and brain CT's but I don't know what the gas consists of.
                  I had the barium form about 8 years ago and was seriously ill like yourself. I was unable to keep the contrast dye down for more than a few minutes before throwing it up. I also had anaphalactic symptoms. Needless to say it was a torturous day in the ER.
                  F/37yr/5' 5"
                  SW: 154 March 2011
                  CW: 140 July to Oct 2011
                  PB: 145 gained 5lbs in first 4 months March to July 2012
                  With a combo of PB and IF-ing 5 days a week (1 x 1200 calorie meal per day) I have lost 15 lbs PB/IF = 130 lbs July 2012 to current
                  GW: 120
                  Ultimate Goals ar to be: Happy/ Fit/ Energetic/ Feel great/ Balanced/ cure my thyroid and adrenals

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                  • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                    I am not sure if I am in total awe at Paleobird's efficient tenacity or completely put off by her constant criticism. Could it just be an Internet board crush?!?

                    JamesS may be her match though. I am getting the popcorn ready.

                    What is funny is that I am rethinking the amount of Iodine I want to take because of James's information, which I believe Paleobird would agree with.
                    I agree.

                    Thank you JamesS for sigining in and joining this discussion. Very enlightening stuff. Please keep posting

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                    • Originally posted by mom5booklover View Post
                      It really depends on the organs being scanned and the type of contrast used. If intravenous is used (mostly for the abdomen and gastointestinal system) then it is it is probably iodine. If oral route is used it could be barium sulfate (white milk shake like consistency)or Gastrografin (water and iodine mixed). There is also a gas that is inhaled for some lung and brain CT's but I don't know what the gas consists of.
                      I had the barium form about 8 years ago and was seriously ill like yourself. I was unable to keep the contrast dye down for more than a few minutes before throwing it up. I also had anaphalactic symptoms. Needless to say it was a torturous day in the ER.
                      We discussed the method of delivery and the purpose of the CT scans.
                      It was intravenous iodine based CT contrast dye.
                      No vomiting... I started feeling funny/light headed and breathing became difficult and I told them, they were getting me off the table from the CT when I lost consciousness completely... I woke up after injections.
                      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                      • [QUOTE=JamesS;924361]I am trying really hard to be patient with your acting like a complete jerk with every post, but my patience is really getting thin!

                        It has nothing to do with "reading comprehension" as you put it. In fact, if you had any reading comprehension yourself then you would have realized that I clearly pointed out that I had been reading posts over several days. But I did not read all the details of your post, which is why I wrote "Even you mentioned it was caught early and it sounds like they did a lumpectomy ". Hmm.... "Sounds like", which clearly shows I did not read your post in detail. Even if I had it would not matter since I am not going to remember every detail of every post of yours I have read because you simply are not that important to me!!!




                        Your patience really does not matter - YOU are being a complete jerk being so negative to Paleobird, who has posted a lot of useful info here. Some of your posts have been informative - keep it at that. Don't descend to abuse, please. PB has been putting some of the best advice I have read on these threads and has been vilified - if she is a little short at times I am not in the least surprised.

                        Read more, think more.

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                        • Originally posted by Hoss2626 View Post
                          I am not sure if I am in total awe at Paleobird's efficient tenacity or completely put off by her constant criticism. Could it just be an Internet board crush?!?

                          JamesS may be her match though. I am getting the popcorn ready.

                          What is funny is that I am rethinking the amount of Iodine I want to take because of James's information, which I believe Paleobird would agree with.
                          Again, another horribly negative comment about a very concerned and considerate poster here. What is wrong with you??

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                          • efficient tenacity & constant criticism could be compliments. considering how the other thread went, constant criticism is needed

                            i don't know why you're put off so badly by it
                            beautiful
                            yeah you are

                            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                            lol

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                            • Originally posted by breadsauce View Post
                              Again, another horribly negative comment about a very concerned and considerate poster here. What is wrong with you??
                              I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone who resents being "informed" of something in a condescending manner and I wouldn't refer to that style as considerate. There's been at least 4 members here saying essentially the same thing in the last two pages, so apparently it hits a nerve and folks were just calling her out on it. To her credit, she seems to have recognized it in her last post. I didn't follow the last iodine thread very closely, but I think she was on the defensive in dealing with what is a very highly charged topic.

                              We'll all get over it.

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                              • Thanks, breadsauce, I appreciate the sentiment. But really, when it come to actual iodine issues, James and I are pretty much on the same page. He overdoes the rants against the medical establishment a bit much for my tastes, but hey, that's just his viewpoint.

                                I never said that there weren't bad doctors out there or that money does not factor into the medical care industry. After all it is an industry. I only said that, when one pays regular HMO dues, the more expensive treatments come out of the HMO's pockets thereby discrediting the argument that doctors give you treatments you don't need when herbs would work and suppress herbal cures because they want your money. My HMO would have lost a lot less money on my cancer if they had given me herbs, or baking soda.

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