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  • Day 30 today & can't believe it is almost done. Felt like I was cruising on auto pilot most of the time (which went by quickly).

    For some reason the last few days have been the toughest. I have been feeling waves of detox sluggishness, toxicity, fatigue, headaches, irritability etc. Maybe I am still detoxing? I keep hearing toxins are stored in body fat, & when we lose weight the toxins are released into the bloodstream. So does this mean we keep detoxing until we stop losing weight? How long could this go on for?

    Whole 9 (who created W30) posted this article yesterday, which I found most comforting & encouraging (especially now the scales seem stuck).

    174,203 Ways to Measure Health (Besides the Scale) | Whole9 | Let us change your life.

    I think there is something in this for all of us.

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    • I have heard the same about antidepressants being stored in fat too, and was told this is why I still periodically experience withdrawal symptoms despite not taking them for over 2 months. If I'd kept it up, I'd be at day 31 today.
      Primal since March 5, 2012
      SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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      • Last day, woohoo! I admit that I am a bit nervous about the training wheels coming off, especially since I think I am still dealing with some inflammation issues - i.e. the dermatitis that won't go away But I am excited that tomorrow I finally get to weigh myself and see if I made any progress (stupidly, I didn't take measurements at the outset). I would be thrilled if I even lost just 2 or 3 real pounds. I know the other benefits of the whole30 are myriad, but I still want that mathematical affirmation. Now that I've given up grains, legumes, added sugars, and most distressingly, dairy, maybe that bit of CW is the last thing I still can't let go.
        Primal Journal - Zinnia

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        • I think we're all interested in the scale in some manner or another. I haven't taken my measurements yet. Thanks for the reminder.
          Primal since March 5, 2012
          SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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          • Ok... final weight 189 no change there...

            Measurements say differently, though...

            Waist: nc
            Butt: 1 inch loss
            Pelvis: nc
            Thigh: nc
            Neck: nc
            Forearm: nc
            Wrist: nc
            Bicep: 0.25 inches lost
            Belly: 2.25 inches lost!!

            Total loss: 3.5 inches with zero weight loss.

            Body fat change: 1/2% with no weight loss.
            Primal since March 5, 2012
            SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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            • [QUOTE=jenn26point2;936917]I'm still here struggling to maintain W30 compliance. Yesterday was another bad day... it was probably 75/25 primal. Breakfast contained bad fats I'm sure, as we had breakfast at a local cafe (read grease bomb for CW folk). I got into the gluten free cookies again. Have no fear... they're gone now. Other poor choice was ice cream with mt dew. The good and bad of that is that I didn't eat as much as I usually do, and had dew left in the can (like half a can). I tried to drink the dew when I was done and (this is where the good comes in), I thought it was kind of gross. It certainly didn't taste good to me, so I dumped it. That also makes me sad b/c i'll miss my dew.


              Hi Jenn, not sure if you have read what the W30 program is about, but GF cookies, Mountain Dew, icecream, bad oils etc are not permitted 25%+ or any of the time. I'm not sure why you would be expecting any weight loss, when you haven't actually followed the program. I find your posts about eating junk food & not losing weight while struggling on your W30 insensitive to those of us who are genuinely here following the W30 (which is not easy) & to support eachother. You are clearly not following a W30, so why would you come to a place where people are, and post about eating junk food & tell us you are not losing weight?

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              • Originally posted by zinnia View Post
                Last day, woohoo! I admit that I am a bit nervous about the training wheels coming off, especially since I think I am still dealing with some inflammation issues - i.e. the dermatitis that won't go away But I am excited that tomorrow I finally get to weigh myself and see if I made any progress (stupidly, I didn't take measurements at the outset). I would be thrilled if I even lost just 2 or 3 real pounds. I know the other benefits of the whole30 are myriad, but I still want that mathematical affirmation. Now that I've given up grains, legumes, added sugars, and most distressingly, dairy, maybe that bit of CW is the last thing I still can't let go.
                Good luck Zinnia!!! Can't wait to hear how you & Jackie & anyone else who has stayed W30 compliant for 30 days actually ended up. Also would be great to know how you plan to move forward. I have made huge progress but still have a ways to go with inflammatory & metabolic conditions. Scared to undo all the good work by reverting back.. will post my W30 round up later too. Congrats on seeing it through!! Feels like a big (& very healthy) accomplishment :-)

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                • Originally posted by Primegal View Post
                  Hi Jenn, not sure if you have read what the W30 program is about, but GF cookies, Mountain Dew, icecream, bad oils etc are not permitted 25%+ or any of the time. I'm not sure why you would be expecting any weight loss, when you haven't actually followed the program. I find your posts about eating junk food & not losing weight while struggling on your W30 insensitive to those of us who are genuinely here following the W30 (which is not easy) & to support eachother. You are clearly not following a W30, so why would you come to a place where people are, and post about eating junk food & tell us you are not losing weight?
                  Perhaps I am just being defensive or overly sensitive, but this seems like a rather rude and unsupportive response to me. When someone is struggling is not the time to tell them to go away, it's a time to offer support so they can come back onboard when they are ready to.
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                  • Hey folks, I guess it's almost officially over so I thought I'd share my overall experience and data nerdery

                    Starting weight 245
                    Pants 38" pants were a little snug

                    (all the numbers here are averages over the given time)

                    Days 1-16 (cleanest I have eaten in a long time)
                    1929 calories, 127 fat, 133 protein, 77 carbs
                    10 days of exercise, varying from lifting, hiking, walking, and running
                    Day 17 morning weight: 233
                    Pants: 38" pants were fitting properly (I'd guess about 1" loss)

                    Days 17-24 (i.e. insano crazy binge week)
                    4260 calories, 238 fat, 152 protein, 419 carbs
                    Zero exercise, period
                    Day 25 morning weight: 246
                    Pants: 38" pants were a little more snug than at the start (I'd guess about 1" gain)

                    Days 25-30 (slight recovery from crazy week, and back to 80/20 primal, but still bad on some days)
                    2778 calories, 166 fat, 133 protein, 159 carbs
                    3 days of exercise, lifting, interval sprints, swimming
                    Day 30 weight: 242
                    Pants: 38" pants strangely tighter than after crazy week (I'd guess another 1/4" gain)

                    Lessons learned
                    • In my own case, perhaps trying to go Whole30 was just a little too strict for me to follow
                    • My loss from "clean" 2 weeks was 8 lbs in the first three days, then 3 lbs the following thirteen, leading me to believe that ~8lbs is my +/- water gain/loss based on carb/grain consumption changes
                    • My gain from crazy week was 9 lbs in the first three days, it correlates almost perfectly with the previous statement, just in reverse
                    • Adding dairy back in during "recovery" week resulted in zero change in digestion whatsoever, so dairy is probably 100% cool for me (and good because it's tasty and helps me stay full)
                    • Not too surprisingly, adding the evil grains back and in huge amounts during "crazy" week resulted in my feeling like absolute garbage, hard time sleeping, no energy, etc
                    • Having moderate grain consumption (i.e. a burger including the bun, occasional corn chips, etc) during "recovery" week resulted in a little less energy than I recall having in full 80/20 primal, but was manageable.
                    • I found that I felt great during days 1-16, but the strictness began to take its toll mentally, and it was really difficult for me to get variety and enjoy cooking
                    • I really need to pay more attention to the base primal exercise like lifting, sprinting, and super long walks
                    • I definitely see great value in sticking out the full Whole30, if you have the discipline to do so!
                    -Chuck

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                    • Chuck,

                      Why not start anew tomorrow with the September Whole 30 thread that's going on? I feel for ya, that's a rough month, however now you've seen how fast that water weight comes off at first. You can do it, just need a little support!!!

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                      • Well I am sort of starting anew, just not Whole30 in particular. Moreso back to the 80/20 primal (which really, the only difference is alcohol and dairy right?). I think it's more important for me to stay the course of 80/20 than risk another complete meltdown.
                        -Chuck

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                        • Drum roll please.....just in case anyone was waiting......2.5 pounds down! I wish it had been more, but I'm not too disappointed because I could be holding on to some hormonally-based water weight at the moment, and I also don't have much left to lose. I'm 5'2", weighed in at 125.2 lbs on July 27 and weighed in at 122.6 this morning. According to my oh-so-accurate bathroom scale, body fat dropped from 28% to 25% over that time period. I don't put too much stock in those numbers, but the downward trend was encouraging! Also, my face just looks thinner. Wish I could say the same thing about my lower body...

                          My goal-ish weight is 115 lbs, but I'm really more interested in getting to the 20-22% body fat range, accurately measured. I know it will be slow going, so I am trying to psych myself up for that. I will definitely need to ramp up exercise, and I'm thinking about cutting back on fruit, since I was eating at least 2 servings per day during the whole30. Should be easier to do now that we're heading into fall and I'm not a huge apple or citrus person.

                          I'm going to reflect a bit more on what I've learned from the whole30 experience and what I'm going to do moving forward, and I'll try to check back in later. In the meantime, I hope to hear some updates from the rest of you!

                          Jenn, great job on the inches lost. That must be so encouraging even after all the struggles you had this go-around. I'm pulling for you to have a quick recovery from your whole30 burnout and to be able to get back on track. I also peeked in your journal and it sounds like you've identified some non-weight-related personal health benefits of whole30-style eating, so I hope that those will also provide additional motivation

                          Chuck, thanks for the interesting data you've shared. Have you been able to identify what triggered the insano crazy binge week?
                          Primal Journal - Zinnia

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                          • I think that mainly the lack of variety and not being as happy cooking and such did it. Granted, it started with a weekend of three birthday parties in a row, but in the past on 80/20 primal I hadn't had any problem since I'd allow myself like one small baked good and a beer or two. I think attempting to be 100% strict was what really sent me on the binge. Then since I had more of that a few days in a row it set me up for a horrible "well I already messed up" kinda week.
                            -Chuck

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                            • Chuck, I think that if you binged it's because your calories, around 1900 were too low for you.
                              Losing more than 10 lbs in barrely two weeks sounds a bit too fast.

                              Very interested in doing my first Whole30, although I just need to cut some artificial sweeteners now and then, raw butter and goat cheese. I want to try it but I don't want to loose too much weight. So... will still keep an eye on my calories intake.
                              Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                              (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                              • Originally posted by Primegal View Post
                                Hi Jenn, not sure if you have read what the W30 program is about, but GF cookies, Mountain Dew, icecream, bad oils etc are not permitted 25%+ or any of the time. I'm not sure why you would be expecting any weight loss, when you haven't actually followed the program. I find your posts about eating junk food & not losing weight while struggling on your W30 insensitive to those of us who are genuinely here following the W30 (which is not easy) & to support eachother. You are clearly not following a W30, so why would you come to a place where people are, and post about eating junk food & tell us you are not losing weight?
                                Um, I KNOW why I wasn't losing weight at the end... the first 80 days of my whole30 were spot on... I lost 20 lbs in the first 60... NOTHING the following 20, despite following the rules 100% and cutting fruit. W30 approved meats and veggies only.

                                I have read the Whole30 website. I have read the book - TWICE in fact. I am 100% aware of the rules. The last 10 days or so of the August W30 were bad days. I admit that. This isn't my first rodeo. Been there done that. I wholeheartedly believe that the last 10 days of the August w30 with all the gluten free cookies, mt. dew, ice cream etc were out of rebellion because I'd spent the previous 20 following the rules to a tee and getting nothing out of it, which was counter intuititve based on the first 60 days I completed.

                                I appreciate your concern about my diet, but if you'd look into the past, you'll see that I was doing fantastically in the two previous threads, and this one I struggled with cravings and maintaining discipline. I would THANK YOU to be sensitive to THAT instead of questioning my insensitivity to those who are following the rules.
                                Last edited by jenn26point2; 08-31-2012, 11:30 AM.
                                Primal since March 5, 2012
                                SW: 221 | CW: 204 | LPW: 166 | UGW: 140 (80 lbs loss)



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