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  • Julian's Bakery Coconut Bread primal?

    So I know about their paleo almond bread and not a big fan of the excessive amounts of nuts, omega 6, etc etc. So what about the coconut bread? I know a lot of you aren't into bread substitutes, but what if anything is wrong with the ingredients in their coconut bread? I only eat bread occasionally but would be nice to try this out (if it is good). Just curious if the anti almond flour bread people have really anything against coconut bread

    ingredients: Ingredients: Purified Water, Organic Coconut Flour, Egg Whites, Psyllium, Organic Apple Cider Vinegar, Baking Soda.

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    Why in the world do you need bread?
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    • #3
      question 1, yes it is

      question 2, sandwiches
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      yeah you are

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      • #4
        Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
        Why in the world do you need bread?
        I don't need it, sometimes I just want a slice and would rather not go the wheat route in that case

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        • #5
          It's better than "regular" bread, but it's not remotely "primal." Doesn't mean you can't eat it, just means don't eat it under the guise that it's something it isn't.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            It's better than "regular" bread, but it's not remotely "primal." Doesn't mean you can't eat it, just means don't eat it under the guise that it's something it isn't.
            How is it not primal? The ingredients are primal and unlike almond bread you don't get the excessive amounts of omega 6....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brent* View Post
              How is it not primal? The ingredients are primal and unlike almond bread you don't get the excessive amounts of omega 6....
              How is a baked bread product made of coconut, egg whites, and psyllium primal in any way? It may be sufficiently benign based on your personal standards, (I would be most concerned about the psyllium, personally. I also don't like to eat egg whites without the yolk, but let's not turn this into a debate about biotin either) but it isn't remotely primal.
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              • #8
                Are you sure you want to try Julian's paleo bread???
                Julian Bakery Customer Tests Low-Carb Bread Claims, Requests They ‘Immediately Cease Sales’ « Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog

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                • #9
                  And Mark addressed this very recently. Pays to actually read his blog entries:

                  Is Psyllium Husk Primal or Paleo? | Mark's Daily Apple

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                  • #10
                    Well no shit. Is a sweet potato going to be evaluated the same way on that front? Must not be primal then.
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                    • #11
                      Richard of "Free the Animal" is in the middle of a series of posts about this macadamia/coconut bread he's been making. He said he draws the "reenactment" line between meal-type items and sweets. So something like bread is OK, but not a cupcake.

                      So let's pretend for a second that there wasn't any psyllium husk in the bread, so that the ingredients are totally primal.

                      Then the problem is just that it's bread? Should we not make sandwiches with lettuce, mushroom, or bell pepper for "bread"? What makes one approximation worse than the other?

                      Cauliflower rice isn't rice, and zucchini noodles aren't really noodles. But paleo bread really is a bread I think. Does the problem lie somewhere in there? And what about it, if it's there, is actually problematic? (seriously)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sjmc View Post
                        Richard of "Free the Animal" is in the middle of a series of posts about this macadamia/coconut bread he's been making. He said he draws the "reenactment" line between meal-type items and sweets. So something like bread is OK, but not a cupcake.

                        So let's pretend for a second that there wasn't any psyllium husk in the bread, so that the ingredients are totally primal.

                        Then the problem is just that it's bread? Should we not make sandwiches with lettuce, mushroom, or bell pepper for "bread"? What makes one approximation worse than the other?

                        Cauliflower rice isn't rice, and zucchini noodles aren't really noodles. But paleo bread really is a bread I think. Does the problem lie somewhere in there? And what about it, if it's there, is actually problematic? (seriously)
                        Is it psyllium husk, or psyllium powder? The ingredients on the website just say "psyllium".
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                        • #13
                          exactly my thoughts. I have 'noodles' all the time, they are just made of zucchini. If the psyllium is the powder version I don't know how it isn't primal.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sjmc View Post
                            Then the problem is just that it's bread? Should we not make sandwiches with lettuce, mushroom, or bell pepper for "bread"? What makes one approximation worse than the other?

                            Cauliflower rice isn't rice, and zucchini noodles aren't really noodles. But paleo bread really is a bread I think. Does the problem lie somewhere in there? And what about it, if it's there, is actually problematic? (seriously)
                            You've made a good point, but maybe not the one you intended to make. (Note that I said maybe. I'm not assuming, I'm just not sure).

                            The good point you've made is that names and labels are stupid.

                            Zucchini noodles aren't noodles at all. They're a food cut into a shape to approximate an experience of a non-food (pasta).

                            Same goes for sliced peppers and mushrooms used to make a "sandwich." Those aren't actually breads in any way. They're a piece of a plant and a fungus, respectively, cut into a slice. Does cutting something into a slice render it "processed?" Does churning cream turning it into butter render it "processed?"

                            Where exactly to draw the line is debatable.

                            Drying and milling coconut flesh (or doing whatever it is that's done to make coconut flour), separating eggs, adding psyllium and baking soda, and whatever else, then mixing, baking, slicing, and bagging pretty clearly renders something a "product" rather than a food item.

                            Which side of the line that falls on isn't so debateable. Where's the line exactly? I'm not going to try to make up a rule. I know that in my eyes it definitely somewhere in between cutting a pepper into slices and baking a pseudobread.

                            In other words, a bakery product that's an approximation of bread isn't primal by any but the loosest of definitions. It probably isn't actually "bread" by any but the loosest of definitions either. I would contend that it's neither primal nor bread.

                            It may very well be the least harmful bread anybody's thought of. And it may fit well within the confines of how you choose to eat. But it's a pretty heavily manufactured product, not anything your paleolithic ancestors might have recognized as "food."

                            Richard Nikoley doesn't claim to be primal any more, if I remember correctly. Or paleo or whatever. I applaud him for that decision. He was telling his readers where he draws his personal line of what's appropriate to eat.
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                            • #15
                              @richmahogany

                              I totally agree. It's hard to pin to pin the source of discomfort about it on any one thing, too -- I mean take cheese, for example. You can have quality ingredients, yet there's lots of processing, but the effort and chemistry that goes into making it is fascinating.

                              I think a lot of it is just a 'spirit of primal' thing. Food shouldn't be so industrialized. I don't know how else people can defend the stance that paleo baking at home is ok but buying paleo bread is not (a stance that has been taken in similar threads). And I think that's right. But only up to a point. Once people start speculating about what Grok did, it starts to sound stupid. It's not like there's something inherently wrong with baking, but it would be a bitch to make your coconut flour. (But so what?)

                              Some antagonism toward it also comes, I think, from an attitude of 'I don't think that's paleo, and don't make us all look like jackasses by eating bread and calling it paleo.'

                              I was ready to say that it's definitely on the wrong side of the line, but after my rambling, not so sure. I mean it's pretty damn innocuous. I know exactly what's in it. I think the commercial, mass-produced part plays in big time... ex., people might support the paleo baker lady at their local farmer's market. But I've definitely rambled now...

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