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    Howdy, folks!

    I am currently on a Candida Overgrowth diet, which for those who are new to this lovely experience, it's a result of stress, too much sugar over years of eating crappy, etc. I have been Primal for almost a year and a half (or Paleo -- pretty much limit dairy due to intolerance), so imagine my surprise when I was diagnosed with THIS. But you know that funky word, "Cheat?" yeah. I used that a bit too often.

    Nonetheless, I'm limited to veggies, protein sources like meat, chicken and fish, and nuts. No sugars of any kind. So here's my query:

    I find when I add more fat to my diet, I'm very satiated. I made this smoothie this morning:
    10 fl oz coconut milk
    2 raw eggs
    2 T coconut oil
    1 t vanilla
    1/2 t cinnamon
    1/4 t nutmeg
    Stevia to sweeten (I'm not a fan of any sweeteners beyond raw honey, but this is the only candida diet approved sweetener, so work with me here)

    It is AWESOME. Yummy, satisfying and surprisingly refreshing.

    Until 2 hours later when I'm ready to gnaw off my arm. I am fat-adapted, so I'm sitting here hungry without any other symptoms than an annoyed belly. And I'm drinking water to quell the urge to snack -- I'm trying really hard to get away from my snacking habit.

    Any thoughts as to what I can add to this smoothie that might make it more satisfying? Would 3 T coconut oil be pushing it? Another egg? I'm a semi-active, small female, so I generally don't eat more calories (for lack of a better way to measure) than what this smoothie provides, when I made my usual breakfasts of eggs, bacon, or coconut bars. I'd appreciate any thoughts you might have.

    Thanks!
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  • #2
    I don't know a lot about the diet so I don't want to comment what you could add to the shake but could you not just have another 2 hours later?
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    • #3
      add a protein powder, they have 100% all natural egg white protein by Healthy n' Fit, you are only getting about 14 from the eggs, not too much, also maybe try fasting in the morning, and then give yourself an 8 hour eating window and just eat and eat..how are you with dairy? Greek yogurt is good too, but I would say more protein.

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      • #4
        I always find a cup of hot black coffee sorts out the hunger for a while.
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        • #5
          Caffeine is out, as is fasting, as you aren't supposed to stress the body or the adrenals in any way shape or form. I used to IF in the mornings, and I really enjoyed it. But alas...

          Would four eggs be too much? I'd rather do that over add a powder which may or may not come from well-sourced, pastured chickens (yeah, I'm one of those people.) That seems like a lot of raw egg. Not sure.
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          • #6
            Just running the ingredients through a nutrition website comes up with ~920 calories, 98 g. fat, 10 g. carbs, and 22 g. protein. If that much fat isn't satiating, then maybe the culprit is protein? It might be worth experimenting with adding more protein, although I'm not sure how 4 eggs in a shake would go down. Why not just cook a couple of eggs and eat them as a companion to the shake? Might also want to cut back on the coconut oil since you're already getting a pretty big caloric bomb from the coconut milk. Smoothie sans coconut oil, and two eggs fried in 1 t. of coconut oil = 871 calories, 75 g. fat, 10 g. carbs, and 34 g. protein.

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            • #7
              From my understanding coconut oil is used immediately as energy and generally doesn't get stored as body fat, so you could add a bit more if you want. And more eggs are probably fine too if you don't have any problems with raw eggs.

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              • #8
                I'd add an avocado...umm, can you? Sorry I don't know this diet either but, assume fruit is out. ?? B.c I'd also add a whole banana to this too

                So, this breakfast is your preferred one. Quick and convenient ? I was first thinking, "why aren't you just having leftovers like fish with fried up veggies and a couple of hard boiled eggs?"

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                • #9
                  I use So Delicious coconut milk, which is less of a calorie bomb. Fear not, I'll be returning to regular coconut milk as soon as this round of it is done. I don't care for it, but it was on sale. I've learned my lesson.

                  I need something fast in the mornings, and live with voracious eater. So when I think I'll have leftovers...usually not. And I need a way to coconut oil in. I don't like cooking with it -- I like it by itself, but I don't like the sweetness it lends to meats and the like -- so I generally take it in the form of a wonderful, primal coconut bar. It's awesome! But the bar uses cocoa and raw honey, both of which are out on this form of eating. :sigh: I'm considering experimenting with a vanilla coconut bar.

                  the avocado I've considered -- I have some texture issues with them in smoothies, but maybe if I just did a quarter instead of a half...that's a good idea.

                  Anyway, the feedback is much appreciated, gang. Truly. This diet isn't particularly difficult for me as I have celiac's disease, so I don't mind cutting out foods! But the symptoms take their toll, and the brain fog is brutal. So you guys doing some of the "thinking" heavy-lifting is a godsend. Thank you.
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                  • #10
                    I would also suggest a protein powder to beef it up a bit (and switching to pure coconut milk, not the manufactured stuff like So Delicious makes). NOW Foods makes a plain whey protein isolate (as in no flavor AND no sugar) that might be a good option for you.
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                    • #11
                      I wish! I actually had a wonderful protein powder I used to use, but any powder is off limits, especially whey. But thank you for the suggestion.
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                      • #12
                        I have the same problem with smoothies in the morning. I would love to have them for breakfast, but they just don't hold me over the way solid food does. Think of it this way - a smoothie is really "pre-digested" in some ways, so it goes through you faster. Try having some solid food for breakfast like meat and eggs and veggies. Have you tried using refined coconut oil for cooking? It really doesn't have any flavor at all.

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                        • #13
                          I used to have regular smoothies (berries, whey powder, yogurt, coconut milk, tea) for breakfast and my stomach would growl at 10:30 am, like clockwork. I added two hard-boiled eggs to breakfast; problem solved. Now I forget to have lunch until 1 pm.

                          For the original poster: you're on a such a restricitive diet that I don't think there's a good smoothie out there.
                          Can you bake up a pound of ground beef into four patties and eat one each day for breakfast? I used to do that and it worked for me.
                          5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                          • #14
                            Can you eat real food? Why not have some steak and eggs instead? Your smoothie might taste good but in my opinion it's mostly empty, nutritionless calories. Eat some real food and maybe your hunger will abate.
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                            • #15
                              Glad to know I'm not alone! And the logic makes sense. Thank you for the input.

                              I'm torn on this one for two reasons. I bloat on almost all solid food right now -- it's a symptom of the candida (until I'm told otherwise -- second opinion on Monday). So the smoothie actually doesn't bloat me as badly. That being said, I do have left overs I often keep for lunch, but maybe having a small meatloaf made of acceptable ingredients would make a nice add in. That's a great idea -- thank you.
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