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  • #16
    Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
    This just reminded me of how everyone gets super tired and sleepy after thanksgiving dinner - something about the tryptophan in turkey (though I don't think turkey has higher levels than any other meat).
    Maybe... but I believe that was proved a myth. It's all the damn carbs that come with the turkey dinner. +1 for primal!

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    • #17
      Has he tried just eliminating pork? There is a weston a price thing that pork causes fatigue by causing inflammation and slight clumping of red blood cells. I no longer eat non-fermented pork based on their recommendations. I am feeling better, but have made a few other changes at the same time so I'll need to tease them apart at some point.

      The other thing would be, as others have suggested, an amino acid imbalance caused by excess consumption of muscle meat in the absence of organ meats.
      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jammies View Post
        Has he tried just eliminating pork? There is a weston a price thing that pork causes fatigue by causing inflammation and slight clumping of red blood cells. I no longer eat non-fermented pork based on their recommendations. I am feeling better, but have made a few other changes at the same time so I'll need to tease them apart at some point.

        The other thing would be, as others have suggested, an amino acid imbalance caused by excess consumption of muscle meat in the absence of organ meats.
        Oh man ...this would explain some things.

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        • #19
          The you have me. If I go without meat for a few days I get run down, lose my attention span, and a little wacky and useless. Up it to about a pound of red meat a day on average, and liver, eggs, duck, etc., and I'm feeling great.
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jammies View Post
            Has he tried just eliminating pork? There is a weston a price thing that pork causes fatigue by causing inflammation and slight clumping of red blood cells. I no longer eat non-fermented pork based on their recommendations.
            Wow, I think you just blew my mind. How do you ferment pork???

            (I bet it's something ridiculously simple like letting it soak in brine...)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
              Wow, I think you just blew my mind. How do you ferment pork???

              (I bet it's something ridiculously simple like letting it soak in brine...)
              I was about to ask the exact same thing. I had to read her post a few times to make sure I read it right.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                Wow, I think you just blew my mind. How do you ferment pork???

                (I bet it's something ridiculously simple like letting it soak in brine...)
                Most cured meats are fermented. Salami and the like usually have 'lactic acid starter culture' in the ingredients. That's why the traditional cured meats are hung and left at room temp.
                http://baconandwhimsy.blogspot.com

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MadelynMc View Post
                  Most cured meats are fermented. Salami and the like usually have 'lactic acid starter culture' in the ingredients. That's why the traditional cured meats are hung and left at room temp.
                  Yep - this is what they say. Bacon and other cured meats don't cause the blood stickiness. Also, pork that is soaked in a some apple cider vinegar (I think it was for 2 hours) was also okay. I haven't tried adding back any pork yet - cured or uncured, so I can't say for sure.

                  Keep in mind, I have NO idea what this blood stickiness thing really means and it was only tested on a couple of people. On the other hand, the WAP foundation has taken a LOT of heat for not recommending pork but they are sticking by their guns so they must feel that it is not great for health. Either way, I'm always willing to try just about anything
                  Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                  http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by jammies View Post
                    Yep - this is what they say. Bacon and other cured meats don't cause the blood stickiness. Also, pork that is soaked in a some apple cider vinegar (I think it was for 2 hours) was also okay. I haven't tried adding back any pork yet - cured or uncured, so I can't say for sure.

                    Keep in mind, I have NO idea what this blood stickiness thing really means and it was only tested on a couple of people. On the other hand, the WAP foundation has taken a LOT of heat for not recommending pork but they are sticking by their guns so they must feel that it is not great for health. Either way, I'm always willing to try just about anything

                    I have an itty bitty bit of psoriasis left on my elbows. I noticed this week that when I eat pork, My patches are red, and I feel a little bit of achiness of the skin on my knees. I'm making a bone broth out of some pork ribs, but I added apple cider vinegar to it. That should be okay, right?
                    Don't let anybody tell you, "You can't" just because they can't.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by GeorgiaPeach View Post
                      I have an itty bitty bit of psoriasis left on my elbows. I noticed this week that when I eat pork, My patches are red, and I feel a little bit of achiness of the skin on my knees. I'm making a bone broth out of some pork ribs, but I added apple cider vinegar to it. That should be okay, right?
                      Interesting, my husband has psoriatic arthritis, and his psoriasis is minimal but still always lurking around in a small form. I wonder if it could be related to pork - it's his favorite meat, he consumes it a lot. i think with all the anti-pork talk, I'll ask him if he'll take a no-pork elimination challenge to see if anything changes.

                      Thanks, Jammies, for that Weston Price info - I'll see what I can find on the WAPF website about pork. I never really thought of that as being a potential problem before.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                        Interesting, my husband has psoriatic arthritis, and his psoriasis is minimal but still always lurking around in a small form. I wonder if it could be related to pork - it's his favorite meat, he consumes it a lot. i think with all the anti-pork talk, I'll ask him if he'll take a no-pork elimination challenge to see if anything changes.

                        Thanks, Jammies, for that Weston Price info - I'll see what I can find on the WAPF website about pork. I never really thought of that as being a potential problem before.
                        Something that might help too is water kefir. Mine got MUCH better when I started drinking 4 cups a day.
                        Don't let anybody tell you, "You can't" just because they can't.

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