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  • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
    Again, nuances. Of course protein and fat are essential. But ultimately populations of people can still thrive on diets low in fat, low in protein or low in carbohydrate.
    Fat is needed for life, but you could get all the fat you needed to survive if your diet was 100% grains and vegetables.

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    • Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
      I'm sure that there are plenty of presenters at random vegetarian meetings that say that meat is poison. It doesn't make it true. Lets see some research that backs this up.
      I'm not debating trolls....use your own google, my times too valuable to spell things out to you.

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      • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
        I'm not debating trolls....use your own google, my times too valuable to spell things out to you.
        So you don't have the study? Ok. Great.

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        • Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
          So you don't have the study? Ok. Great.
          Pot calling kettle black?!?!?

          Still waiting for that study that shows eating grains is better than not eating them
          . And as much as you continue to post links to whole grains studies they do not answer the question asked.
          Last edited by Dirlot; 07-13-2012, 09:28 AM.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          • Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
            It is all about context. This is a HUGE generalization. At least say something like sweet potatoes is a better alternative to grains than fat. Fat is essential to life, but only a VERY VERY small amount of it.
            You need very little fat to live yeah. You need very little carbs to live as well. What's optimal?
            well then

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            • Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
              You need very little fat to live yeah. You need very little carbs to live as well. What's optimal?
              Actually you can live without carbs, remove fat or protein and you will die. They are essential parts of any diet. Having said that I am not giving up my veg...lol. Vegetables, protein and fat all the stuff that tastes great.
              Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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              • Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                ...I know it has been pointed out before but the body can take and adapt to toxins much better when you are younger. I know some people think that is a cop-out but it is not. When I think about some of the ways I ate when I was out when I was younger there was no way I could have done that when I was older (even prePrimal).
                I think there's also an element of cumulative damage. I ate CW for years and did well. Then in my mid-30s I developed an autoimmune condition. If you buy into the intestinal permeability theory of autoimmunity, it seems quite likely that it was the consequence of years of eating things that damaged my gut. I always opted for whole grains over refined. I also ate plenty of legumes. I didn't soak, sprout, or ferment anything. Plus I ate a lot of fruit and veg. I was pescatarian for many years, though fish was not something I ate much. Most of my meals were vegan, actually. This all worked great for years and then it was like my body hit a wall.

                It wasn't a life time of junk food and inactivity that did me in. I exercised religiously. I ate what CW told me to eat. I avoided saturated fat and transfats. I cooked with 'healthy' oils like canola and used them sparingly. I ate plenty of soy protein, plus the above-mentioned whole grains and legumes. I'm not unique in this, either. I hear this same story on these boards all the time.

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                • Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                  @forgotmyusername
                  I don't agree with a population thriving on low-fat

                  @Darz did you read the studies? if you think you are fine eating wheat then why ask the question in the first place?

                  @Neckhammer spot on.

                  I know it has been pointed out before but the body can take and adapt to toxins much better when you are younger. I know some people think that is a cop-out but it is not. When I think about some of the ways I ate when I was out when I was younger there was no way I could have done that when I was older (even prePrimal).
                  Really? So you deny the use of wheat in the Italian diet and believe some of the longest lived cultures who follow a HCLF diet either don't exist or are not really thriving. Ok.

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                  • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                    Really? So you deny the use of wheat in the Italian diet and believe some of the longest lived cultures who follow a HCLF diet either don't exist or are not really thriving. Ok.
                    I NEVER denied the use of wheat in Italian diets...are you taking a page from jimhenson and making things up?


                    Which cultures are HCLF?
                    Last edited by Dirlot; 07-13-2012, 07:19 PM.
                    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                    • Someone said the Italians eat plenty of wheat and you replied "No they don't but when they do it's full of fat".
                      New Guinea and Massa tribes, Kitavans, lots of asian populations and basically any culture that ate 60% + carbohydrate before westernization.

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                      • Did anyone bother to say that the Italians don't eat the GMO wheat that dominates the American food supply? Maybe it would help if we're comparing the same thing?

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                        • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                          Really? So you deny the use of wheat in the Italian diet and believe some of the longest lived cultures who follow a HCLF diet either don't exist or are not really thriving. Ok.
                          Rodger doger......what more activity and tratitional preperation dont do it for you?


                          Please explain to me how their lifestyle and the types of grains they consume are so similar to our daily life?

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                          • Originally posted by Nady View Post
                            Did anyone bother to say that the Italians don't eat the GMO wheat that dominates the American food supply? Maybe it would help if we're comparing the same thing?
                            apples vs cantelopes with genetically altered testicles? Don't laugh I'm being serious about the ramifications.
                            Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-13-2012, 09:22 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                              Rodger doger......what more activity and tratitional preperation dont do it for you?


                              Please explain to me how their lifestyle and the types of grains they consume are so similar to our daily life?
                              I didn't mention anything about their lifestyle or how it compares to our lifestyle. It was his comments that the Italians don't consume plenty of wheat and that he doesn't believe cultures have thrived on a low-fat diet. Which are both patently false.

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                              • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
                                I didn't mention anything about their lifestyle or how it compares to our lifestyle. It was his comments that the Italians don't consume plenty of wheat and that he doesn't believe cultures have thrived on a low-fat diet. Which are both patently false.
                                Just curious...do you know if the wheat consumed there is the same as that we consume in the USA? Is preparation the same? And remember if your gonna quote the "long lived" make sure your including how they ate and lived in the early 1900's vs today......Today don't mean a damn thing....heck 30-70 years ago may not even be completely relevant according to epigenetic factors.

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