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  • #16
    Dirlot likes to ask for studies and I reply with hundreds and he says they are all flawed...

    grains heart - Google Scholar

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    • #17
      I am just going to quote from conclusions from different studies that I posted:

      "It appears valid to make health claims (as now permitted by the US FDA) that whole grain cereal foods and oat meal or bran may reduce the risk of CHD."

      "This study supports the reported beneficial association of whole-grain intake with CHD and suggests that the bran component of whole grains could be a key factor in this relation."

      "A clear inverse association between whole-grain intake and risk of IHD death existed. A causal association is plausible because whole-grain foods contain many phytochemicals, including fiber and antioxidants, that may reduce chronic disease risk. Whole-grain intake should be studied further for its potential to prevent IHD and cancer."

      "The intake of wholegrain foods clearly protects against heart disease and stroke but the exact mechanism is not clear. Fibre, magnesium, folate and vitamins B6 and vitamin E may be important."

      "Thus, studies strongly suggest that the regular consumption of whole grains significantly reduces the risk of CHD "

      "Nevertheless, the take-home message is that consumption of generous amounts of whole grains, cereal fiber, total fiber, fruit, or vegetables decreases the risk of CHD by ≥30%, irrespective of other lifestyle behaviors. These observations encourage us to recommend that ≥3 servings of whole grains be consumed daily."

      Those are just from the abstracts of the first 7 studies from the link I posted. But obviously it is a conspiracy by big agra and every scientist is in big agra's pocket.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
        Dirlot likes to ask for studies and I reply with hundreds and he says they are all flawed...

        grains heart - Google Scholar
        I never once said your studies were flawed. I really wish you would stop stooping to lying about things.

        I agree all your studies show that whole grains are better than refined grains. What I disagree with is that makes them good. Replacing a poison with a lessor poison does not make it healthy.

        I in your grain thread there were plenty of post showing how bad grains were not big studies but they are there.

        You still have not posted one study that shows that eating tasteless, nutritionally deficient grains is better than avoiding them.
        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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        • #19
          I only have one person on this whole forum on ignore.

          If you feel fine eating grains, go ahead and eat them. Perhaps the Primal Blueprint is better appreciated by people who are in their 40s or so and starting to feel the effects of eating the SAD all their lives. Perhaps it's better appreciated by people with PCOS or diabetes or obesity. Maybe it's wasted on people in their 20s. Maybe people in their 20s should just download the fitness book and do that and skip all the diet stuff.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
            The latter. You created a problem where there wasn't one in the first place. Stop eating meat for a few months and eat a steak...you will probably feel sick too. That doesn't mean that you have a problem digesting steak.

            And to answer your question, there is absolutely no study that has shown that whole grains are bad for you.
            Wow. I haven't been on this forum in months and imagine my surprise... the first thread I read at that! I can't believe you're still trolling around these parts. How very, very sad. Move on.
            http://baconandwhimsy.blogspot.com

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MadelynMc View Post
              Wow. I haven't been on this forum in months and imagine my surprise... the first thread I read at that! I can't believe you're still trolling around these parts. How very, very sad. Move on.
              Oh you!

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              • #22
                I know I'm getting old, and short term memory and all, but didn't we just do this?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                  I never once said your studies were flawed. I really wish you would stop stooping to lying about things.

                  I agree all your studies show that whole grains are better than refined grains. What I disagree with is that makes them good. Replacing a poison with a lessor poison does not make it healthy.

                  I in your grain thread there were plenty of post showing how bad grains were not big studies but they are there.

                  You still have not posted one study that shows that eating tasteless, nutritionally deficient grains is better than avoiding them.
                  No jim? You still going to try and maintain your pathetic lies?
                  Last edited by Dirlot; 07-10-2012, 08:47 PM.
                  Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                  • #24
                    I don't eat wheat, but if you feel good and are heatlhy, I see no problem with it.

                    The French and Italians eat plenty of wheat and are fine. Just eat it around a whole food diet with lots of healthy meats, fruits, and vegetables.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bob loblaw View Post
                      I don't eat wheat, but if you feel good and are heatlhy, I see no problem with it.

                      The French and Italians eat plenty of wheat and are fine. Just eat it around a whole food diet with lots of healthy meats, fruits, and vegetables.
                      Actually they don't and when they do it is full of fat.
                      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                      Don't forget to play!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                        The latter. You created a problem where there wasn't one in the first place. Stop eating meat for a few months and eat a steak...you will probably feel sick too. That doesn't mean that you have a problem digesting steak.

                        Bullshit
                        Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
                        READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

                        Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food. Anthony Bourdain

                        and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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                        • #27
                          To the OP - keep in mind that there is not very much modern data supporting this way of eating. We can piece together bits and parts of studies, but the simple fact is that science is very slow and is quite political. So the people here and by and large tried what the experts have told them and found it less than ideal. We then go on to try things that are out in front of the current science.

                          Slowly but surely science follows behind these things. You are seeing a bit of a change on the hard core low fat recommendations of the 90's. It's still a high grain world, but lower sugar is making headway as well.

                          The people here aren't willing to wait for the studies proving this way is better. Mostly we try things on our bodies and go with what works.
                          Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                          http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Nady View Post
                            I know I'm getting old, and short term memory and all, but didn't we just do this?
                            Nah, it's been at least two days since we had a good long jimhenson wheat thread!
                            My rolleyes icon is geting tired.

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                            • #29
                              Don't know if there's any significant difference but I ate white pasta not whole wheat pasta, but anyway I had a terrible night - excessive flatulence, stomach ache, palpitations and some sort of stinging all over my body - with all these studies that support and reject the consumption of wheat seems the best one can do is listen to the body and test through trial and error, and completely avoid if benefits arise from these - I mean for 20 years I too ate wheat as a staple and did fine by it and I believe it'll be impossible to avoid food with wheat/gluten for the next 70 years so I might keep on experimenting.
                              Last edited by Darz; 07-11-2012, 12:00 AM.

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                              • #30
                                There's context and 'shades of grey'. Not all foods can be lumped into a "poison" or "essential superfood" category. Wheat, seafood, eggs, nuts, milk etc all have their benefits yet can also be potentially problematic for a small percentage. Are all these foods necessary? No. Can their nutrients be obtained elsewhere? Sure. Can you find evidence of their health benefits? yes. Are they're health benefits overrated by some? Can you find evidence they can be problematic for some? yes.
                                Can you find healthy populations that thrive consuming a lot of these foods? Sure. Some of the most healthy and disease free cultures weston price studied consumed large amounts of foods people put into the "poison" category. So I think the only way you can know what works for YOU is through experimentation. If you eliminated every food that Macdougall, cordain, Campbell, davis, CW etc told you was bad you wouldn't have any food options left at all.

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