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  • #16
    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
    What I mean is gluten increases gut permeability (leaky gut) in everyone.....just to different degrees. I know you had to see this from your other thread, but just in case here it is for you again....

    From Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 2006; 41: 408 /419
    Gliadin, zonulin and gut permeability: Effects on celiac and non-celiac

    "Based on our results, we concluded that gliadin activates zonulin signaling irrespective of the genetic expression of autoimmunity, leading to increased intestinal permeability to macromolecules."

    Interpretation....gluten causes leaky gut in everyone.

    and of course that is also from here Hey Robb, this person said gluten free diets are bogus!
    You don't expect him to read that do you?


    Even if you accept the premise that we have evolved enough in 10,000 years to handle gluten and gladin, there is no way our bodies could have adapted to the frankenwheat that was produced in the last generation nor is it likely we could handle the extra gluten and gladen that is added to foods everywhere.

    Between your studies and the one I posted earlier anyone who continues to eat wheat and processed foods on a regular basis is clearly asking for trouble.
    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
      What I mean is gluten increases gut permeability (leaky gut) in everyone.....just to different degrees. I know you had to see this from your other thread, but just in case here it is for you again....

      From Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 2006; 41: 408 /419
      Gliadin, zonulin and gut permeability: Effects on celiac and non-celiac

      "Based on our results, we concluded that gliadin activates zonulin signaling irrespective of the genetic expression of autoimmunity, leading to increased intestinal permeability to macromolecules."

      Interpretation....gluten causes leaky gut in everyone.

      and of course that is also from here Hey Robb, this person said gluten free diets are bogus!
      Interpretation: that was a study done in a lab in a petri dish and a human study has not verified the findings.

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      • #18
        It may not have anything to do with gluten. I was like that after I didn't eat potatoes for a while. I started eating them and had digestive issues at first, took me a week or 2 before I can handle them again. Same thing with bread, I ate bread my whole life without any troubles (besides some weight gain by passive overconsumption when my metabolism slowed) but then developed a sensitivity to it after not eating it for so long. That's why I use 20% leniency a bit more these days with those types of foods so I have more flexibility and the option to go out and eat anything at restaurants occasionally without any troubles.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
          Interpretation: that was a study done in a lab in a petri dish and a human study has not verified the findings.
          LOL there is a pretty clear trail to the benefits of removing gluten in those studies...but you go ahead and ignore them and keep trying to convince yourself that grains are healthy.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
            Interpretation: that was a study done in a lab in a petri dish and a human study has not verified the findings.
            Trying to decide~ you're either very young (23 or so) and inexperienced, stubborn or just plain stupid. Try to understand this~ gluten may not be a problem for YOU. It is, however, a problem for most of us here on MDA. So get over it. If you want to post here, shut up up about how innocent/healthy gluten is~ we've been there, done that and have the scars.

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            • #21
              Perhaps while you are healing your gut, adding the irritant back before it's fully healed causes distress.
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                Perhaps while you are healing your gut, adding the irritant back before it's fully healed causes distress.
                That makes sense. When I was testing for the eczema trigger after my fast, I reacted more strongly to grains than now, 20years later. Seems time has tempered the reaction~ maybe brought some degree of tolerance, however small?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                  Interpretation: that was a study done in a lab in a petri dish and a human study has not verified the findings.
                  So what you are saying is we shouldn't trust studies but rather we should trust you...a morbidly obese, failed primal (heck you never really followed primal) with an eating disorder. Did I get that right?
                  Last edited by Dirlot; 07-08-2012, 08:11 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                    So what you are saying is we shouldn't trust studies but rather we should trust you...a morbidly obese, failed primal (heck you never really followed primal) with an eating disorder. Did I get that right?
                    lol, yes I said not to trust any study...like all of the studies that say that grains are good for you. Make sure not to trust any study that suggests that grains are healthy (pretty much all of them). Make sure to only trust studies that agree with your religious diet despite being extremely flawed. Show me a study that shows that gluten increases intestinal permiability in non celiac patients IN HUMANS and then I will listen. Your petri dish study is bogus and the fact that every time a primal/paleo person has to defend their anti grains sentiment it is brought up shows how flimsy your argument actually is.

                    And if you ask where all the studies showing grains are healthy, here you go

                    grains heart - Google Scholar

                    Its a conspiracy by big agra though. Just like 9/11 and the moon landing.

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                    • #25
                      Once again there are no studies showing that grains are good for you only better than refined grains - you are just exchanging a greater poison for a lesser one.

                      We have provided you many, many studies showing how harmful grains are and the benefit of a primal diet that excludes grains. Yes they are petridish studies, yes they are studies on animals and yes they are small population studies but they are studies - which is more than what seem able to provide.

                      We have found studies that show eating primal is fantastic and that eating wheat/grains is bad. You do you work now, find studies that show that eating grains and especially eating wheat is better than avoiding them altogether - Either put up or shut up.
                      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                        Once again there are no studies showing that grains are good for you only better than refined grains - you are just exchanging a greater poison for a lesser one.

                        We have provided you many, many studies showing how harmful grains are and the benefit of a primal diet that excludes grains. Yes they are petridish studies, yes they are studies on animals and yes they are small population studies but they are studies - which is more than what seem able to provide.

                        We have found studies that show eating primal is fantastic and that eating wheat/grains is bad. You do you work now, find studies that show that eating grains and especially eating wheat is better than avoiding them altogether - Either put up or shut up.
                        Just look at the first 100 studies for grains and heart. If what you were saying was true the people that ate the least amount of grains in those studies would be the healthiest, which is never the case.

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                        • #27
                          Again not what I asked...we know grains are poison and eating whole grains are better.

                          Where is the study showing eating is grains is better than not eating them! Show us a study that promotes your religion....lol

                          PS regarding the harm from gluten studies have been posted for you I guess you didn't bother to read them.
                          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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