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  • #76
    Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
    Any time I've been tested for hypothryroid, my levels are always in the PERFECT range, not even slightly on the low end, which is weird because I have all the typical hypothyroid symptoms - extremely low body temp, cold hands/feet/nose, fatigue, extreme ease of packing on weight/inability to lose it, thinning hair, etc...

    I have tried L-Acetyl Carnitine, D-Ribose, and Co Q10, but nothing seems to make a difference,
    I think it's important to know what was tested in regards to thyroid health-- TSH, FT4, FT3, antibodies?

    Other things that can mimic thyroid symptoms include low vitamin D, low ferritin/anemia, too low carb, not enough selenium.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
      Absolutely. Why do you feel we need leaves and greens? What is in them that you can't get elsewhere? You can get the same essential vitamins and minerals found in greens without all the nasty stuff that comes with it - lots of insoluble fiber, unsaturated fats, goitrogens, oxalates and other anti-nutrients. This lifestyle makes it clear you don't need grains to get vitamins and minerals, so why the need for greens? I realize you're the resident troll but I'd like to hear your explanation.
      Why are you hating on insoluble fiber. It has been shown in plenty of studies that vegetables are healthy for a number of reasons.

      vegetables heart - Google Scholar
      Last edited by jimhensen; 07-10-2012, 12:25 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
        Why are you hating on insoluble fiber. It has been shown in plenty of studies that vegetables are healthy for a number of reasons.
        There are plenty of "studies" that show canola oil is the most heart-healthy oil. We know that to be patently false as all studies are flawed and most have an agenda. What we do know is that vegetables are rough on your digestive tract due to insoluble fiber content, and too much vegetables rot in your gut and ferment, causing bloating and irregularity. The Fiber Menace is often written by those that have seen the nasty side of fiber. I can tell you firsthand I feel much better eating squashes and potatoes than I do eating greens. I eat greens solely because they keep my calories down and I truly enjoy them.
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Jorjor View Post
          There is absolutely nothing wrong with vegetables and most fruits in my opinion
          Of course there isn't. This is like bizzaro world. Wait, conventional wisdom says something is good for you...it MUST NOT BE!!!!!! That is the stupid reasoning that is on this forum. And people will cling onto these quacks and 1% of research that supports their view and ignore the other 99%. I can only imagine that most people on this forum also think the moon landing was fake and that aliens built the pyramids.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            There are plenty of "studies" that show canola oil is the most heart-healthy oil. We know that to be patently false as all studies are flawed and most have an agenda.
            Or, you know, maybe canola oil IS good for you and your interpretation and extreme bias is flawed.

            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            What we do know is that vegetables are rough on your digestive tract due to insoluble fiber content, and too much vegetables rot in your gut and ferment, causing bloating and irregularity. The Fiber Menace is often written by those that have seen the nasty side of fiber. I can tell you firsthand I feel much better eating squashes and potatoes than I do eating greens. I eat greens solely because they keep my calories down and I truly enjoy them.
            I have never had any problems digesting greens and other than on this forum I have not heard of people having trouble digesting them.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
              I can only imagine that most people on this forum also think the moon landing was fake and that aliens built the pyramids.
              And that the earth is flat! Oh, wait... wasn't that "conventional wisdom" at one point?
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #82
                I came to Primal via low carbing. I'm still a newbie when it comes to Primal, but I've done a lot of reading on low carb and emailed with some of the key people and my attitude now is to take CW with a tonne of salt and try to be open-minded. So I'm not going McEnroesque about the value of veggies.

                Historically Inuits ate a lot of meat and very little fruit and veg and Dr Jay Wortmann proved that when they went back to their ancestral diet the problems they had from SAD started to go. However, the non-native trappers elsewhere, who tried to exist on a diet of rabbit, got malnourished pretty quickly.

                I take the POV that everything we eat should be value for nutrition, for us as individuals. Most fruit pushes up my BG too much so I eat strawberries, melon and cherries which don't. I can get antioxidants and vitamin C from other veg though.

                Low carbing has never given me constipation but processed food did.
                Last edited by Artichoke; 07-10-2012, 12:43 PM.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                  I have never had any problems digesting greens and other than on this forum I have not heard of people having trouble digesting them.
                  Maybe that's because you clearly don't interact with real humans.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                    Of course there isn't. This is like bizzaro world. Wait, conventional wisdom says something is good for you...it MUST NOT BE!!!!!! That is the stupid reasoning that is on this forum. And people will cling onto these quacks and 1% of research that supports their view and ignore the other 99%. I can only imagine that most people on this forum also think the moon landing was fake and that aliens built the pyramids.
                    Straw man. A fallacy is not an argument. It is a logical flaw.

                    Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                    Or, you know, maybe canola oil IS good for you and your interpretation and extreme bias is flawed.
                    Ad hominem. See above.

                    It doesn't take a very smart person to figure out that oil from a poisonous rapeseed plant that had to be genetically modified, bleached, deodorized and filtered just to become somewhat edible by humans isn't healthy. Did you know rapeseed oil was originally a parts lubricant? When you heat it to high temperatures, it develops compounds similar to varnish. Did you know that?

                    Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                    I have never had any problems digesting greens and other than on this forum I have not heard of people having trouble digesting them.
                    How do you know if you've never tried going without them? Most people don't know they have food sensitivities until they've gone a long time without them and added them back in. That's the only way I found out that milk gives me acne and allergies, and that PUFA oil and wheat gives me eczema (thanks Drexel University cafeteria!). Now my skin is perfectly clear and for the first time in my life I get golden-brown in the sun instead of red.

                    Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                    Maybe that's because you clearly don't interact with real humans.
                    Ad hominem. Trolls are best defeated with facts. It starves them rather than feeds them.
                    Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 07-10-2012, 01:05 PM.
                    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by jimhensen View Post


                      I have never had any problems digesting greens and other than on this forum I have not heard of people having trouble digesting them.
                      Funny it is only on this forum would someone who has never properly tried primal, asks for studies but never properly reads them, poo-poos some studies because of certain criteria then post similar petri-dish studies, is morbidly obese and with eating disorders (did I miss anything?) come onto a site to convince people that even though their health is improving and they are feeling better that their way of living is wrong.

                      PS Still waiting for that study that shows grains are good for you.
                      Last edited by Dirlot; 07-10-2012, 01:22 PM.
                      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                      PS
                      Don't forget to play!

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                        I have never had any problems digesting greens and other than on this forum I have not heard of people having trouble digesting them.
                        Good for you, but you're still a fat fuck.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by ss14 View Post
                          Good for you, but you're still a fat fuck.
                          I enjoy it when someone posts exactly what we are all thinking.

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