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  • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
    Hey Neckhammer, I find the Iodine thread to be a little over the top, shall we say. However, way before that thread even turned up, I was taking iodine. I've been taking it ever since I started low carb. I've taken as much as 50mg a day but now I just take 12.5 mg of Iodoral, which is half KI and half I.

    I am moderate to low carb and I lean more toward eating a lot of meat rather than a lot of starch or vegetables. I don't eat much fruit but once in a while I do, especially dates. I have always tested low on my thyroid but never low enough for treatment. I absolutely believe that eating low and moderate carb primal has completely cured me of any tendency toward low thyroid or a slow metabolism. I have a normal appetite now. I can eat huge meals and if it was too much, I just don't eat at the next meal time. I never gain any weight. I'm not super willowy thin, but I'm strong and I'm not freezing all the time or sluggish or any of the other symptoms mentioned. I burn up all night long most of the time. I have LOTS of energy.

    Did the iodine help? Probably. I don't really know. But it certainly did not hurt me one bit. Neither has low carb or low-ish carbs. I don't have to tell a bunch of bullshit stories about macro-nutrients to make myself feel better about my choices, either. The basic Primal Blueprint, carb-curve, exercise program and all, has worked beyond my wildest dreams.
    Oh, I completely agree. I have never had any hypo symptoms from LC. I still eat low carb 6/7 days. The only reason I "carb load" is cause I have a cheat day more than most on here do (or admit to ). I was never more than 10lb from ideal weight nor did I have health problems, so I'm in it purely for general health and continued wellness. I have seen the Primal program work for people with significant health issues though, and continue to recommend it without reservation. I have read from a variety of sources how low carb primal style eating helps to heal the gut and actually CURE hypothyroid (these are probably usually the hashimoto types)...and in various books they do outline over 20 variations of hypo, so it is obvious to me that this is a complicated subject.

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    • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
      Oh, I completely agree. I have never had any hypo symptoms from LC. I still eat low carb 6/7 days. The only reason I "carb load" is cause I have a cheat day more than most on here do (or admit to ).
      I could be wrong, but I honestly believe that's what keeps a lot of low-carbers afloat. I was solidly low/almost zero carb for about 7 months without ANY cheats from what I can remember. Looking back I probably would of done better if I had a weekly pizza binge but there's no way to know for sure.

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      • Originally posted by Forgotmylastusername View Post
        I could be wrong, but I honestly believe that's what keeps a lot of low-carbers afloat. I was solidly low/almost zero carb for about 7 months without ANY cheats from what I can remember. Looking back I probably would of done better if I had a weekly pizza binge but there's no way to know for sure.
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        • I've been reading the thread throughout, and all the new / conflicting information is fascinating.

          While I don't always agree with Choco's delivery (on this thread), I find his info pretty enlightening, and I think he makes a brilliant point here:

          Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
          the diabetes/sugar theory suffers from the same flaws as the saturated fat-cholesterol/heart disease theory[/U]
          I'm really appreciating the opportunity to have my understandings challenged, so thanks Danny (and everyone else) for entering into the discussion.

          Originally posted by Grumpycakes View Post
          Hi! How are ya?
          Lol
          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

          - Ray Peat

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          • Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            If it's okay to eat butter by the slice, is it okay to eat molasses by the spoonful? According to Fitday, it's more bang for your buck. And I believe that's regular molasses, not blackstrap. Blackstrap is even more nutrient-dense!
            Better yet try mixing the molasses with softened butter into a paste... completely sinfully delicious.
            ...was raised on Blackstrap... but some people find the taste of it objectionable I understand.
            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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            • This is a mint thread. Danny's contributions are interesting and Choco has been right on the money as well.

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              • It isn't that we cant wrap our heads around eating fructose in whole food form. You could make a case that the book Primal Blueprint would actually advocate a couple pieces of fruit or berries over that of starchy tubers or rice. The disconnect is the form that fructose takes and the quantities ingested. There is no appreciation in the Peat camp for what has produced health in traditional societies from what I have read. It is a theory based on biochemical breakdown and analysis, and is incomplete because of that IMO.

                The "look at children" argument makes no sense. My kids have no additional sugars in their diet (I'm sure plenty of Primal parents do the same) and they have all the energy and vibrancy that you seem to attribute to needing such....in fact so do I. Eat more...doesn't matter if its fat or sugar and your metabolic rate goes up (fact).

                As far as if your getting your carbohydrate from starch or fruit (if you feel you need it) its quite dependent upon what sort of microbes currently populate your gut as to which you prefer. Seems if your suffering any form of liver dysfunction including metabolic syndrome that you should tread lightly with fructose even in fruit form.

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                • Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                  My question is, if this is all true, HOW DO YOU LOSE BODY FAT ON RAY PEAT'S DIET? It seems like the diet is engineered to keep you from using your stored fat as fuel. That's all well and good if you're highly active and very lean, but the overwhelming majority of us aren't. If I wanted to adopt a Ray Peat-style diet, how can I safely burn stored fat as fuel?
                  I'm replying mostly from my phone, so I apologize if I've missed any questions; it's not on purpose.

                  If I had a considerable amount of weight to lose (I was 170 lb. on zero carb), I'm about (150 lb. now; consuming about 400+ grams of sugar a day) I would focus on restoring the metabolic rate (pulse, body temperature, mood, libido) by consuming enough sugar and protein (80-100+ grams) while tapering the amount of fat I consumed (refined coconut oil would probably be the best weight loss fat).

                  Calcium is an important factor in weight loss. Obtaining a fairly large amount of calcium (5-7 grams a day and the cofactors) can decrease inflammation, stress, and increase the metabolic rate.

                  A test to assess your calcium status is called PTH.

                  Remember, going on a low-carb diet is NOT the only way to lose fat. The muscles continually use fat at rest.

                  Cliff McCrary wrote a great article on weight loss: Co2 Factor: Practical ways to lose fat


                  Originally posted by sandokan2112 View Post
                  Danny, are you recommending that the bulk of the carbs come from fruit sugar?
                  Yes.

                  Originally posted by sandokan2112 View Post
                  My question is, do we need to consume a copius amount of fruit esp. fruit juices to replenish our livers glycogen stores? My understanding is that the carbs from potatoes or white rice would have the same effect, but without comprimising the liver.
                  Fructose does not compromise the liver, in fact, it does just the opposite.

                  The role of glycogen is extremely important in resisting stress and supporting the metabolic rate. Fructose, better than any other sugar, promotes the storage of glycogen.

                  Originally posted by sandokan2112 View Post
                  It is my understanding that consuming TOO much fructose in the diet esp. in concentrated fruit juice form, and to some extent from TOO much fruit in general, places too much stress on the liver e.g. fatty liver, high triglyceride levels.
                  Before fructose in converted into triglycerides, it refills glycogen stores. As my buddy Cliff McCrary has pointed out, it takes a hell of a lot of sugar before carbohydrates become fat via de novo lipogenesis.

                  You can check out his blog here: http://co2factor.blogspot.com/
                  Last edited by dannyroddy; 07-07-2012, 02:17 PM. Reason: Spelling
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                  • I ate low carb 15 years, developed a lot of health problems on it. Have been experimenting with higher carb including some orange juice, honey and even Coke the last month; this is probably the best I've felt in years. Sorry, low carb Primal sucks.

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                    • Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                      I ate low carb 15 years, developed a lot of health problems on it. Have been experimenting with higher carb including some orange juice, honey and even Coke the last month; this is probably the best I've felt in years. Sorry, low carb Primal sucks.
                      As does any advice you have EVER given, so excuse me if I don't hold your opinion in high regard.

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                      • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                        The "look at children" argument makes no sense. My kids have no additional sugars in their diet (I'm sure plenty of Primal parents do the same) and they have all the energy and vibrancy that you seem to attribute to needing such....in fact so do I.
                        I'm saying that young children are resilient—despite of their diet—due to their very high metabolic rates.
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                        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Heheheheh.
                          Get out of this thread. Obviously you're here only for a fight, at this point, but you're not being very entertaining about it. That's the least you could do.
                          You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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                          • Originally posted by Grumpycakes View Post
                            Get out of this thread. Obviously you're here only for a fight, at this point, but you're not being very entertaining about it. That's the least you could do.
                            Grumpycakes is being grumpy...
                            Shocking.
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • Originally posted by dannyroddy View Post
                              I'm saying that young children are resilient—despite of their diet—due to their very high metabolic rates.
                              Ah, despite their diet. So if a child never overindulged in PUFA and ate plenty of sugar growing up we would maintain this metabolic rate throughout life? The reduced metabolism as we age is not just a normal physiological response, but something that the happened environmentally and to our detriment?

                              If you say that this is so is there any society that has lived this way that we could examine to determine if it has or has not occurred and been healthy for humans?
                              Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-07-2012, 02:12 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                                Ah, despite their diet. So if a child never overindulged in PUFA and ate plenty of sugar growing up we would maintain this metabolic rate throughout life? The reduced metabolism as we age is not just a normal physiological response, but something that the happened environmentally and to our detriment?
                                Yes, but many factors contribute to the decline of the metabolic rate besides food.
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