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  • So I Can Eat a Lot of Fat and Still Lose Fat?

    Hey Guys,

    So I've read The Paleo Diet and read Primal Blueprint as well. One of the core differences seems to be between saturated fats - That Primal advocates eating fats, while Paleo only recommends eating lean meats.

    I'm at a bit of a loss here. My primary goal is to get visible six pack abs. I'm relatively slender already, but I can tell I still have a lot of fat left. (I'm a "skinny fat person" so to speak.) So my goal is really to burn enough fat that my abdominal muscles are visible while working out to build my overall physique.

    That said, it seems counter productive to me to *eat fat* while trying to lose fat. On the other hand, trying the Paleo diet strictly ... well ... Just isn't as fun as the Primal diet. I like my chicken wings with skin on it and I like my pork ribs. Chicken breast just tastes dry to me. Bottom line, I just like the Primal diet better, in terms of taste.

    So, I just want to ask - Is Mark essentially saying that yes, I can indeed eat fatty meats (that even have visible fats) and still lose fat, as long as I'm working out regularly and not eating carbs?
    Last edited by DareP; 06-28-2012, 10:04 AM.

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    You can lose weight on anything if you're on a deficit. Eating more fat and less carbs probably helps control hunger
    well then

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    • #3
      Yes.

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      • #4
        To see your abs you will most likely have to lower your fat intake and play with macros after you stall at 12-15% BF% to get down to under 10% BF% (assuming you are a male). It doesn't happen to everyone, but most people can reach normal weight on Primal, but have to switch to Paleo or alternative to reach and maintain sub-average body fat.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DareP View Post
          That said, it seems counter productive to me to *eat fat* while trying to lose fat.
          Fat is the main energy storage medium for the body. If you want to convince it to burn off its energy stores, you better convince it that a steady stream of replacements is will be provided.
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          • #6
            I found that Marks recommendations to eat a fair amount of fat worked great for getting me from overweight to normal weight. Eating nutrient dense primal foods with plenty of fat controls my appetite very nicely so I no longer feel the need to overeat.

            Basic primal, as recommended by Mark, works great for many,many people. Just give it a try.
            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

            http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gadsie View Post
              You can lose weight on anything if you're on a deficit. Eating more fat and less carbs probably helps control hunger
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              Yes.
              Originally posted by DareP View Post
              So, I just want to ask - Is Mark essentially saying that yes, I can indeed eat fatty meats (that even have visible fats) and still lose fat, as long as I'm working out regularly and not eating carbs?
              Yes he is with a modification to your top statement. Yes, eat your fatty meats (with visible fat) and even fry it in some fat such as duck fat, tallow, butter (if you're eating dairy), bacon fat (if that's your thing - it's definitely my thing). The modification I'd like to make in your statement is the not eating carbs part. This is untrue. You are eating carbs, but they are coming from vegetable sources and if you're really active, throw some tubers in there (and some fruit if you want). Essentially you are avoiding grains, flours, processed foods, etc.

              I tell you, this Primal eating really does work. In 45 days, I've lost 15 lbs and 13.5 inches (no effort at all). The only exercise I've done is basically walking (some random air squats shoved in there - workouts being added in a couple days) and I eat LOTS of fat. It's actually my favourite part! Well, that and the protein.

              Hopefully others will also be able to provide more info when it comes to really leaning out, cause I still have a long way to go until that point.

              Cheers (and welcome)
              Jennifer
              Last edited by Metric; 06-28-2012, 10:22 AM.

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              • #8
                Exactly what Gadsie said.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leida View Post
                  To see your abs you will most likely have to lower your fat intake and play with macros after you stall at 12-15% BF% to get down to under 10% BF% (assuming you are a male).
                  If anything it's the other way around, replacing more carbs with fat gets your BF lower.
                  "Go For Broke"
                  Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
                  Small Kine-168/9%
                  Now- 200/8%
                  Goal- 210/6%

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DareP View Post
                    So I've read The Paleo Diet and read Primal Blueprint as well. One of the core differences seems to be between saturated fats - That Primal advocates eating fats, while Paleo only recommends eating lean meats.
                    Really they are pretty close, just Paleo emphasizes more on the non-grass fed beef needs to be lean, PB says the same just less often.
                    "Go For Broke"
                    Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
                    Small Kine-168/9%
                    Now- 200/8%
                    Goal- 210/6%

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                    • #11
                      Yep.
                      Eating a diet where natural (animal) fats are 60-70% of my calories, I've dropped 35+lbs. It was a hell of a lot easier than counting calories and eating a low fat, high carb diet. It's only counter-intuitive until you've been doing it for a while. Once you're accustomed to it you'll wonder why you ever did anything else.

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                      • #12
                        I'll join the chorus of Yes. I've lost 12 lbs in 6 weeks fantastically easily, and that while I've been unable to exercise. And I am not hungry all the time, just when hunger would be expected. Coconut oil with manna is a favorite snack.
                        My Primal Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57034.html

                        "...since our orthodox theories have not saved us we may have to readjust them to bring them into harmony with Nature's laws. Nature must be obeyed, not orthodoxy." Weston A. Price

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
                          If anything it's the other way around, replacing more carbs with fat gets your BF lower.
                          Proof:

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                          • #14
                            All of you in this thread who say you lost a bunch of weight, were you already fairly lean? I was able to lose my excess weight down to my current baseline pretty easy on a fairly high fat primal diet but 135 is where I've bottomed out. My fat content was probably 50-60% of calories most of the time while I was losing weight. The only things really making any changes now are sprinting and calisthenics. I get more toned but seem to stay the same size and weight, which makes no sense. Playing with macros doesn't seem to do much for me. If anything, more carbs makes me sleepy in the afternoon.
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              All of you in this thread who say you lost a bunch of weight, were you already fairly lean?
                              Yes I was....Still am. I lost about 10lbs and that is all I needed/wanted to lose. I then increased carbs to halt the weight loss. Never counted anything, just eyeballed it. Lifted heavy 1x/week....One HIIT day....and walk to and from work.

                              My carb load still doesn't go over 100g carbs on most days, and I do 60% fat or so.
                              Last edited by Neckhammer; 06-28-2012, 06:49 PM.

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