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    Hey folks.
    Am I doomed to fail??? I really like the primal eating but have a problem. I cannot get my body to change. I sleep better, I feel better, walking barefoot has fixed my crooked toes, but my cholesterol numbers are up.I can accept that, but, my waist is bigger, and now getting fat on my back.
    my doctor is stumped. he checked for cushings, looked into thyroid, insulin resistance. he say's he does not know why, based on my diet , I should be a smaller person. I am 5'10 up from 216 in 2010 to now 232 lbs. I am able to do lunges again, doing more push ups, feel great but my waist is getting biggerBoynton Beach-Delray Beach-20110724-00022.jpg.
    I do not know how to tweak this. I get confused between not eating enough to only eating when hungry. how do you tell the which is right? I don't eat until near noon. 3 egg fritatta with veggies on top every day. no lunch, then always a meat, veg or salad that is it. maybe a small nosh of cheese or banana before dinner. stopped almonds, need dental work which almonds really pose a challenge.

    I have sausage with my breakfast, sometimes bacon. no desert usually. sometimes a little sherbert. have some wine with dinner. am I not eating enough? not sure how to get my body to shed the fat I see all the friday stories. they are inspirational but also frustrating. been eating like this since may 2011, why didn't I get the immediate "fat just falling off!"

    I keep reading about on these post's. why is my body not reacting to giving up sugar, grains, and bread, etc. what should zi do next? my family is losing support saying that I am eating the wrong things, fat is no good etc, etc. and based on my increase in girth , it is hard to argue with them. any ideas folks? I did cut down on the bacon, just in case! I have no clue what to do next. GROK ON! sorry about the photo, but needed to make a point, hideous, isn't it? that is not a primal body!
    Last edited by tcseacliff; 06-23-2012, 09:28 AM.

  • #2
    Please utilize paragraphs.
    "Go For Broke"
    Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
    Small Kine-168/9%
    Now- 200/8%
    Goal- 210/6%

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
      Please utilize paragraphs.
      Seconded

      I'm sorry to hear this way of eating seems not to be losing the fat you want.

      I think you need to look at tracking your intake of -dare I say it - calories, and other macro nutrients. Without this detailed information you can't see where you are going wrong. I know it's a pain in the arse, but I've done the weighing everything out and recording calories for CW dieting and it's not so bad when you get into the habit of doing it, smart phone helps on the go.

      You mention excersie, but don't give any indication to what, if any, programm you are useing, are you getting enough slow movement? I find I don't lose weight if I'm not excersising.

      At the end of the day, unless there is something medical to look at, if you take in less energy than you use your body finds that fuel from body fat, primal makes that process easier for many by reducing hunger, tuning the body to burn fat all the time and being awsome, but it's not magic, you can eat lots of steak and bacon, but if you coat it in honey you won't get lean.

      Also - do you find eggs all that satisfying, I don't, for some reason, if I was eating a fritta for breakfast I would add bacon or ham or sausage, probably some good stong farmhouse chedda on top too Hmmm, hungry now.
      You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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      • #4
        First... a hard truth... calories matter!

        Next, this would be MUCH easier for everyone here to examine and help you with if you would edit your original post into some semblance of coherent writing. Group things into short appropriate paragraphs, and try to capitalize where appropriate.
        That thing is a nightmare to try and read.

        Also... one thing that jumped out at me from the jumble... I'm not aware of a "sherbert" that is Primal in any way shape or form. Seriously. Doesn't that stuff come in a tub from the freezer case and have a load of HFCS, sugar, and artificial flavor and colors in it?
        If you want a desert that you can eat and still LOSE weight... try eating berries. Yes, plain berries. Blueberries, strawberries, raspberries... whatever.

        Primal is not first and foremost a "DIET" for weight loss. It's a healthy way of eating that is satisfying as a long term lifestyle. In order to lose weight a person has to use some critical thinking skills... just as with any "diet" for weight loss. You will need to fully and accurately assess the amount of food you eat on a daily basis using either measuring cups, or preferably a scale. Calories are just as important as the amount of fat, protein, and carbohydrate that you eat. The amount of F/P/C simply help do things like... more fat calories increase satiety, protein helps retain/build muscle during fat loss, carbs provide some energy but too many cause hunger in some people and slow fat loss for others.

        Don't worry... you aren't going to be tied to weighing and logging all of your food forever, but it does help you understand portion/calorie relationships. And if you are slipping it's always good to brush up on measurements again. I have to track sometimes even though I would prefer not to, just to make sure that I don't end up eating too low often (due to medication).

        Weight loss is an individual journey. But there are many people here that can help steer you in the right direction so that you can try some new things and see exactly what YOU need to get the ball rolling.
        Last edited by cori93437; 06-23-2012, 12:01 AM.
        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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        • #5
          1. I think the big initial weight loss is mainly obtained by those that had a wheat/dairy/whatever sensitivity. As soon as I cut wheat, before going primal, I just dropped a ton of weight. I imagine if wheat doesn't make you bloat, you don't get that "dropping pounds of fat" that is actually a bunch of water draining.

          2.Fat loss is much slower. And it comes in chunks.

          3. Little things like sherbert and wine daily can stop fat loss. I have picked up a summer ice cream habit=slow to no weight loss.

          4. Track what you eat. Measure, count calories. If you are sedentary, and if you are a woman, YOU PROBABLY NEED UNDER 2000 CALORIES A DAY. You actually probably need 1500 or so to lose. The people on primal that eat 3000 calories a dayand lose are either:
          1. Genetic freak women
          2. Very active women
          3. Larger men who were eating 5000 calories a day
          4. Larger men who are very athletic- doing hard heavy weights or cross fit or whatnot.

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          • #6
            Here's what I got from your post:

            On the plus side:
            You sleep better.
            You feel better.
            Your crooked toes are fixed.
            You are more active and can do new things.

            And yet you ask why your body is not reacting to dropping grains and sugar.

            On the minus side:
            You are getting fatter.

            Then you list your typical diet. Sounds good, though no 'snapshot' is adequate or even typical.

            Then you get into your, 'oh, and sometimes I have this' part of the diet:
            Sherbet.
            Wine.

            I have found that where there is one 'oh, and, sometimes' item, there are seven. Track yourself for a week, and really study the information. There are MANY threads about calories/macros ratios which will be chock full of information for you to use, but first you need to see what you are really doing.

            Good luck! (And, just to make sure, you have read the book, haven't you? Some people start with the information they find on the forum/blog, and that is not enough! Go to the source. Read it again. And again!)

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            • #7
              Good thread for me right now.

              I've been eating primal since May 11 this year and have no real weight loss. My weight gain has stabilized though.

              Like the OP, I feel better, sleep better, etc. But my 'oh and sometimes' items are hanging me up. I like my wine with dinner. And sometimes I like my martini/s after work before dinner. Once in a while I've been known to have a beer on the weekends, usually chasing a shot of tequila.

              Being one of those short curvy middle-aged women (46 next week, 5'2", 137#) it seems I need to mind my total calories along with my macro ratios. And get more exercise. But I can't really tweak my intake without getting rid of the known hang-up factors.

              Eating primal has so many yesses to it (yes meat, fat, avocados, cream in my coffee) that the few noes should be bearable. Reading other people's questions and struggles sure helps me get up enough willpower to tough it out, at least until I break out of the plateau.
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              • #8
                I apologize for the writing style, was not paying attention. thank you folks for the input. I definitely have to follow my journal better. I am learning fit day, confusing. but I am averaging between 2100-2500 cal. not sure it it's too little /too much. the wine i mentioned is only a few glasses, not all the time. the sherbert was a small portion after dinner twice this week.
                i have not been moving slow,enough. a few injuries have slowed down my routine. am getting back now. just got my vibrams. also,going to start doing hammer swings, and my tire sled,hope this will kick start things. my frittata meal holds me all day. I have eliminated lunch,not usually hungry.

                I start my meals in morning near 11am,sometimes later. skip lunch, dinner after six.dinner is always a meat,always something steamed(today will be my cabbage & onions). I don't eat again until 11am again. does not seem like enough food to keep me looking like I do. this is tricky stuff

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                • #9
                  cori93437:

                  I was craving something cold. I am in s.fla and occasionally want it. read the labels. it did not seem to evil of a thing. I usually freeze my blueberries for cold. I do eat fruit ,just not a ton of it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tribal Rob View Post
                    Seconded

                    I'm sorry to hear this way of eating seems not to be losing the fat you want.

                    I think you need to look at tracking your intake of -dare I say it - calories, and other macro nutrients. Without this detailed information you can't see where you are going wrong. I know it's a pain in the arse, but I've done the weighing everything out and recording calories for CW dieting and it's not so bad when you get into the habit of doing it, smart phone helps on the go.

                    You mention excersie, but don't give any indication to what, if any, programm you are useing, are you getting enough slow movement? I find I don't lose weight if I'm not excersising.

                    At the end of the day, unless there is something medical to look at, if you take in less energy than you use your body finds that fuel from body fat, primal makes that process easier for many by reducing hunger, tuning the body to burn fat all the time and being awsome, but it's not magic, you can eat lots of steak and bacon, but if you coat it in honey you won't get lean.

                    Also - do you find eggs all that satisfying, I don't, for some reason, if I was eating a fritta for breakfast I would add bacon or ham or sausage, probably some good stong farmhouse chedda on top too Hmmm, hungry now.

                    I have sausage usually, sometimes go to whole foods for bacon. this keeps me satisfied all day.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tcseacliff View Post
                      I apologize for the writing style, was not paying attention. thank you folks for the input. I definitely have to follow my journal better. I am learning fit day, confusing. but I am averaging between 2100-2500 cal. not sure it it's too little /too much. the wine i mentioned is only a few glasses, not all the time. the sherbert was a small portion after dinner twice this week.
                      i have not been moving slow,enough. a few injuries have slowed down my routine. am getting back now. just got my vibrams. also,going to start doing hammer swings, and my tire sled,hope this will kick start things. my frittata meal holds me all day. I have eliminated lunch,not usually hungry.

                      I start my meals in morning near 11am,sometimes later. skip lunch, dinner after six.dinner is always a meat,always something steamed(today will be my cabbage & onions). I don't eat again until 11am again. does not seem like enough food to keep me looking like I do. this is tricky stuff
                      From what you describe of your activity level, I think this is probably just too many calories. I am 5'8", 155 lbs, about 20% bodyfat, and very active, and that's how much food I eat on an average day.

                      I'd cut out any stuff with added sugars. Yes, this means saying goodbye to stuff like sherbet for a while. There's almost no nutritional payoff to it, and it's really just empty calories you don't need. And how much is a "few glasses" of wine? If you're trying to lose weight, I'd suggest cutting it to a glass once or twice a week.

                      Add more veggies. The frittata is good for keeping you full, as is meat, but I'm wondering what you're eating over two meals that's getting you to 2000+ calories in a day. Can you post a few days of logs? Be completely honest, measure stuff, and track every bit. I'm wondering how you're getting to that much over two meals, and it's hard to piece together from what you've posted.

                      How big is your "small nosh" of cheese? When people say "a handful" or "a bit", I often find they're not realizing how much they're eating in those snacks.
                      “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tcseacliff View Post
                        cori93437:

                        I was craving something cold. I am in s.fla and occasionally want it. read the labels. it did not seem to evil of a thing. I usually freeze my blueberries for cold. I do eat fruit ,just not a ton of it.
                        I can totally relate...
                        For cold "ice cream" like cravings I really enjoy a banana that has been sliced, frozen, and tossed into the food processor and whizzed until creamy!
                        I usually add a spoon of greek yogurt to this and a dab of vanilla bean paste...
                        I also add frozen berries to it sometimes for a sort of sherbert flavored treat.
                        Some people add cocoa powder to the banana to make it chocolatey... but i don't personally like it that way.
                        I think that a drop or so of stevia would be acceptable in it as well...
                        It's a very clean treat that TASTES indulgent for those times when summer has me craving "ice cream".

                        One of my other favorites... plain frozen mango chunks! I just put them into a bowl and eat them as they begin to thaw, with my fingers.

                        Also... I drink a ton of iced water with a wedge of lime and a big sprig of mint during the day...
                        For some reason this combo is very satisfying and cooling... and I don't want the cold treats as often.

                        Welcome... to MDA.
                        We'll do all we can to help you get those scale numbers going in the right direction.

                        As others have said... Calories is the place to start.
                        I think dialing those back is going to result in some positive progress for you.
                        Starting a journal and logging all of your food data will help others assist you in seeing where things are going awry.
                        At first just log what you normally eat, not cutting portions... just weigh/measure, eat, and find the caloric and macro values AFTER... otherwise you might be tempted to go "Wow, I didn't realize it was that much" and make adjustments before getting a full picture. A few more days aren't going to hurt you in the grand scheme of things. It's a journey, not a race.
                        Last edited by cori93437; 06-23-2012, 10:01 AM.
                        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Owly View Post
                          From what you describe of your activity level, I think this is probably just too many calories. I am 5'8", 155 lbs, about 20% bodyfat, and very active, and that's how much food I eat on an average day.

                          I'd cut out any stuff with added sugars. Yes, this means saying goodbye to stuff like sherbet for a while. There's almost no nutritional payoff to it, and it's really just empty calories you don't need. And how much is a "few glasses" of wine? If you're trying to lose weight, I'd suggest cutting it to a glass once or twice a week.

                          Add more veggies. The frittata is good for keeping you full, as is meat, but I'm wondering what you're eating over two meals that's getting you to 2000+ calories in a day. Can you post a few days of logs? Be completely honest, measure stuff, and track every bit. I'm wondering how you're getting to that much over two meals, and it's hard to piece together from what you've posted.

                          How big is your "small nosh" of cheese? When people say "a handful" or "a bit", I often find they're not realizing how much they're eating in those snacks.
                          the frittata I eat always contains 1cup-1 1/2 spinach, and 1cup at least of whatever I had the night before. today's fritatta was cabbage & onions , spinach, 3 sausages. each sausage 85 cal. always 3 jumbo eggs. I will get rid of the sherbert and wine. have a banana once in a while. my snack in afternoon is a slice of liverwurst and 1oz cheese. I don't eat a lot of cheese, i do watch the portion. hate to keep buying it. 2-3 cups coffee, 1/2 tsp half & half. I will drink kefir,but not daily anymore. every other day.

                          My dinner is always chicken, steak or salmon. always a veggie steamed. lately not been eating my sweet potatoes, and have been skipping salad for some reason. tried doing the big ass salad for lunch but then could not eat dinner. maybe should try that again, don't know. my bmi is 33%. some times I do feel hungry,before dinner but ignore it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                            I can totally relate...
                            For cold "ice cream" like cravings I really enjoy a banana that has been sliced, frozen, and tossed into the food processor and whizzed until creamy!
                            I usually add a spoon of greek yogurt to this and a dab of vanilla bean paste...
                            I also add frozen berries to it sometimes for a sort of sherbert flavored treat.
                            Some people add cocoa powder to the banana to make it chocolatey... but i don't personally like it that way.
                            I think that a drop or so of stevia would be acceptable in it as well...
                            It's a very clean treat that TASTES indulgent for those times when summer has me craving "ice cream! I fell for it!

                            One of my other favorites... plain frozen mango chunks! I just put them into a bowl and eat them as they begin to thaw, with my fingers.

                            Also... I drink a ton of iced water with a wedge of lime and a big sprig of mint during the day...
                            For some reason this combo is very satisfying and cooling... and I don't want the cold treats as often.

                            Welcome... to MDA.
                            We'll do all we can to help you get those scale numbers going in the right direction.

                            As others have said... Calories is the place to start.
                            I think dialing those back is going to result in some positive progress for you.
                            Starting a journal and logging all of your food data will help others assist you in seeing where things are going awry.
                            At first just log what you normally eat, not cutting portions... just weigh/measure, eat, and find the caloric and macro values AFTER... otherwise you might be tempted to go "Wow, I didn't realize it was that much" and make adjustments before getting a full picture. A few more days aren't going to hurt you in the grand scheme of things. It's a journey, not a race.
                            My justification for the sherbert, was since i did not eat a lunch, shertbert was not too bad on occasion. that was the "fat guy " still inside in my ear, i fell for it! well, got my vibrams yesterday, when the rain stops , will get my tire sled on an have at it! somethings gotta give! bye the way, is there a better program(easier) than fit day?

                            t is embarrassing, but I have trouble getting the right foods and portions dialed in, need something more intuitive, thanks

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                            • #15
                              Food allergies?

                              Have you ever considered you might have food allergies or sensitivities? If I eat dairy and eggs, which I am mildly allergic to, I dont lose any weight. I was resistant to do primal without eggs but when I dropped them, I dropped a few pounds. I was also resistant to giving up butter and little bits of cheese, but when I switched to ghee and dropped all other dairy, even the little things like a tsp of cream in my coffee, I dropped weight. The cool thing about limiting my choices beyond the limits of primal was my appetite normalized. I think the mild on going allergic response prevented my body from feeling normal and kept me in crisis mode which equalled hungry mode.

                              Now for breakfast I have 2 strips of wobbly bacon, a scant cup of blueberries with melted ghee, cinnamon and a couple walnuts on top. I would have never believed before how satisfying that would be, but it's enough. Before I ate like a lumberjack in the morning and wondered why the scale didn't budge.

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