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  • #16
    Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
    Look for probiotic pills that are 'enteric coated', these supposedly withstand the stomach acids and don't dissolve until they hit the right place.
    Awesome! Thanks for the tip!

    Originally posted by jammies View Post
    In mouse studies, all you have to do is put a mouse in cage with another mouse and you will spread the gut bacteria from one to the other.
    Ew. If that is true for humans, I definitely do NOT want whatever the heck my partner has. I don't think he's ever had a solid bowel movement, from what I can hear.

    I'm not against fermented things (just saurkraut). I just wanted to get a little bit more bang for the buck. I love artichokes, bananas and onions. Eat them often (plantains, too.)
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • #17
      I agree that the enteric coated pills are a much better option than the high-sugar probiotic drinks.

      If your aim is to promote regular bowel movements, fitness hula hooping can help stimulate that. It's fun too.
      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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      • #18
        kefir is awesome for your got. great daily probiotic.

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        • #19
          It's interesting that you mention gut flora. I have read 3 articles from scientific studies in the last week that mentioned three types of flora that actually provide a mood-enhancing effect on the brain (via the vagus nerve). I have a question in to Mark about his feeling on this issue, and if he approves, what types of probiotics might be best. The three types of flora that have been shown to have this effect are Lactobacillus helveticus, Bifidobacterium longum, and Lactobacillus rhamnosus. I do not know if other flora also affect mood. One study postulated that if this pans out, usage of probiotics might be either an adjunct to mood-enhancing medications (as in anti-depressants), or even a replacement for them in some people.

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          • #20
            Hey cool. I found some probiotics that have all those bacteria you list in enteric capsules. Jarrow brand. I hope this works. And if it gives me a mood boost, all the better. I've been pretty crabby lately.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • #21
              If bacteria did not survive the stomach then humans would have absolutely no bacteria in their gut! Unless you run around sticking lots of things up the other end then it's all come in through your stomach to get there in the first place, and humans had gut bacteria long before the invention of rectal thermometers...
              "You can demonstrate the purpose and limits of human digestion with a simple experiment: eat a steak with some whole corn kernels, and see what comes out the other end. It won’t be the steak."
              -J.Stanton

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              • #22
                I don't remember which specifically, but I searched and was really impressed with PB 8 at vitacost.com. check it out, and you can see the winners on there. variety is important. L. rhamnosus and L. Reuteri (not in PB 8) were two that i read about recently, very important for preventing gut infections of salmonella, rotavirus, and e. coli.

                the gut is colonized at birth and different populations increase/decrease based on what you eat. obviously it's more complex than that, but there's the start. some studies are showing that specific bacteria make it through the stomach and colonize the upper intestine without special coating on the pills.
                Last edited by Saoirse; 06-22-2012, 08:40 PM.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                  Hey cool. I found some probiotics that have all those bacteria you list in enteric capsules. Jarrow brand. I hope this works. And if it gives me a mood boost, all the better. I've been pretty crabby lately.
                  Which one? I could use a mood boost myself.....

                  ETA -think i found it....
                  Last edited by jammies; 06-22-2012, 10:30 PM.
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                  http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                  • #24
                    The one bit of takeaway advice from what I have read about probiotics is to get the refrigerated kind. Chances are that room temperature supplements will be inactive and ineffective.
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                    • #25
                      I've found some great info on this site

                      Cooling Inflammation

                      And it seems to confirm that a lot of bacteria do make it through the stomach....

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                      • #26
                        Thanks sbhikes, for letting me know about the Jarrow brand. I'm gonna check it out!!

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                        • #27
                          The kind I got said specifically on the package that it does not need refrigeration and therefore is good for traveling. Do you remember sea monkeys? They were like dehydrated little brine shrimp. Add water and they came to life. I think it's quite possible to do the same with bacteria.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                            The kind I got said specifically on the package that it does not need refrigeration and therefore is good for traveling. Do you remember sea monkeys? They were like dehydrated little brine shrimp. Add water and they came to life. I think it's quite possible to do the same with bacteria.
                            I hatch brine shrimp all the time for my reef... they do fine.

                            Some bacteria can create spores and encapsulate themselves and travel through the vacuum of space just fine... never doubt the bacteria!
                            HowStuffWorks Videos "It Came From Outer Space: Bacteria in Space"
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                              Ok then, kimchi, pickles, kombucha, umeboshi plums, almost any fermented vegetable, kefir, any raw dairy product...
                              Doesn't yogurt, even the pasteurized variety, have bacteria?

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                              • #30
                                This may be an off the wall question but why don't they make probiotic suppositories? I know they're doing research on fecal implants...just a thought, it would be more direct and avoid the stomach.
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