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  • OH NOES I'M DYING! ECA Stack and Primal

    I was going to post this over in the bodybuilding forum, but figured the dudes over there would be all, "Eat oats, bro!"

    So here goes.

    Anyone familiar with cutting knows about the ECA Stack. I've got a show coming up and have been on the stack once a day for the last 3 weeks or so. Problem is I'm starting to get REALLY nauseous between my first meal (6:30am) and my third meal (2:00pm). Like really, really nauseous. Like watching Bambi with your bros and trying not to cry nauseous.

    Anything I can eat to counteract the feeling without sacrificing the effects of the stack or veering outside the primal lines?

    Between the three morning meals I'm eating about 8 eggs, a pound of chicken breast, a few cups of green veggies, butter, a bunch of red meat, and usually a sweet potato or three.
    I've got of one them journal thingies. One Night At McCool's

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    Just did a quick google on ECA and ephederine is banned in Canada, USA and the netherlands. Given a quick check on the effects of the drugs in an ECA stack I am not surprised you are feeling nauseous.
    I am not sure if there is anything you can do to counteract the drugs.
    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
    PS
    Don't forget to play!

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    • #3
      Eat oats bro!

      But yeah if your looking for safe glucose a lot of people have also embraced rice even though its not Primal tm. Seen your other thread too.....is the butt load of sweet potatoes new to you? Is that what you have replaced your oats with? If so and you normally were not eating them you might consider that new food to be an issue with you.

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      • #4
        when are you taking the stuff in relationship to eating? are you taking it with food, before food, after food? personally, i could never take anything like that on an empty stomach. or maybe you are just taking too much?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          is the butt load of sweet potatoes new to you? Is that what you have replaced your oats with?
          Not necessarily new. I've been "primal" for about a year now. Started eating sweet pots instead of rice or oats or bread or pizza crusted italian women back then. Needed the cards for the workouts.

          Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
          when are you taking the stuff in relationship to eating? are you taking it with food, before food, after food? personally, i could never take anything like that on an empty stomach. or maybe you are just taking too much?
          You're "supposed" to take it on an empty stomach. Maybe it works better that way solely because you're too sick to eat any food afterwards.

          I tried for a day or two on empty, but couldn't stand the nausea. Now I take it with my breakfast.
          I've got of one them journal thingies. One Night At McCool's

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NicMcCool View Post
            Not necessarily new. I've been "primal" for about a year now. Started eating sweet pots instead of rice or oats or bread or pizza crusted italian women back then. Needed the cards for the workouts.



            You're "supposed" to take it on an empty stomach. Maybe it works better that way solely because you're too sick to eat any food afterwards.

            I tried for a day or two on empty, but couldn't stand the nausea. Now I take it with my breakfast.
            yeah, that never worked for me. i could never take eca/hydroxycut/xenadrine/krankers, or any of those other ephedrine-based burners on an empty stomach. and once those formulas stopped using ephedrine (when it became illegal in the us) i stopped using them completely.

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            • #7
              That stuff used to give me the jitters... thanks to the methheads and ridiculous govt regulations, it is now unobtanium..

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              • #8
                It might be the aspirin, have you done the stack before? Aspirin can rip your stomach up pretty bad especially with no food in it. You could drop the aspirin from the stack and see how that goes. If that's not it, "Eat oats bro!"
                Last edited by cma77; 06-19-2012, 01:17 PM.

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                • #9
                  You can do a successful cut without that stuff too. Personally staying as content and happy as possible is what will allow one to continue the cut. Feeling tired, depressed, wired, nauseous or just all around cranky makes for a shitty 5-12 weeks or whatever of cutting. Have you tried a leangains style cut?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                    and once those formulas stopped using ephedrine (when it became illegal in the us) i stopped using them completely.
                    I second this. I took hydroxycut about 1 hour before my workouts and an empty stomach (I worked out in the evening), they became pretty worthless after they took out the ephedrine.
                    I do notice that a lot of places BB dot com mention back in their archives about nausea and the ECA stack.

                    Now ya gotta figure out if you want to live with the effects, good luck on ur show!

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                    • #11
                      I 2nd the aspirin part. I took it out of the stack, when I was taking it a long ass time ago. I didn't get as nauseous (there was still some) AND all the dead lift bruises on my shins healed up pretty quickly.
                      I started adding in GTE with it and though the nausea sometimes got pretty bad the results were freakin' awesome.
                      People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by IcarianVX View Post
                        I 2nd the aspirin part. I took it out of the stack, when I was taking it a long ass time ago. I didn't get as nauseous (there was still some) AND all the dead lift bruises on my shins healed up pretty quickly.
                        I started adding in GTE with it and though the nausea sometimes got pretty bad the results were freakin' awesome.
                        Never really gotten into the green tea extract (I'm totes assuming that's what you mean by GTE). I might have to look into that.

                        To go with your bruising example, one thing I noticed about the stack is it thins up my blood, skinnier than a runway model in a famine. Cut myself on an old fashioned log press and kept bleeding for 2 days. Was finally able to stop it with some rubber cement and duct tape (no joke, bandaids were shit help).

                        Originally posted by cma77 View Post
                        It might be the aspirin, have you done the stack before? Aspirin can rip your stomach up pretty bad especially with no food in it. You could drop the aspirin from the stack and see how that goes. If that's not it, "Eat oats bro!"

                        I thought the aspirin was the main reason the stack was effective in targeting fat and not muscle. And I'm only taking 85mg, didn't know that little bit could cause so much problems.



                        Originally posted by erikJ View Post
                        You can do a successful cut without that stuff too. Personally staying as content and happy as possible is what will allow one to continue the cut. Feeling tired, depressed, wired, nauseous or just all around cranky makes for a shitty 5-12 weeks or whatever of cutting. Have you tried a leangains style cut?
                        The problem is I only have a small window of time. If I could go about this at my own pace I'd MUCH rather go 100% natural. I'm not a huge fan of cutting in general. Honestly I hate bodybuilding, I'd much rather stay at 260 and compete fulltime in strongman. But alas, peer pressure is a bitch, and Mrs. McCool seems to like looking at abs.
                        Last edited by NicMcCool; 06-20-2012, 12:39 PM.
                        I've got of one them journal thingies. One Night At McCool's

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NicMcCool View Post
                          I thought the aspirin was the main reason the stack was effective in targeting muscle and not fat. And I'm only taking 85mg, didn't know that little bit could cause so much problems.
                          The aspirin is there to help "circulate" the ephedra, extend it's half-life a bit. Supposedly it also revs up fat burning but there are no studies that really support this, for most the EC is just as effective as far lipolysis and being protein sparing. If the aspirin was the issue and you dropped it you could probably work up to the full dose and there wouldn't be an issue of extending half-life or nausea. But if you're dead set on keeping the aspirin I would imagine if you just keep up the dosing as you are doing now the nausea might dissipate by itself. The appetite suppression/nausea effects are known to wear off after a couple of weeks and your appetite returns (some folks add l-tyrosine to the stack to try to remedy that loss of appetite suppression) so if it's squeaky bum time you could just endure and see what happens but really dropping the aspirin, no matter how low the dose, to see if that's the issue won't set you back too much.

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                          • #14
                            Dude, this has to be said. Either you do the stack OR you are Primal. Dosing yourself with chemical things that make you nauseated and bleed easily is not Primal. It comes under the heading of "Avoid Poisonous Things".

                            I say this as someone who was a bodybuilder back in the day. As pointed out by erikJ upthread, it is perfectly possibly to do a cut while not resorting to drugs. You are doing damage to your body that may not be apparent now as you look good on that runway but it will bite you in the ass as you age. Please. It's not worth it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cma77 View Post
                              The aspirin is there to help "circulate" the ephedra, extend it's half-life a bit.
                              If that's all it does I'll cut it out and see if the nausea goes away. Thanks.

                              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                              Dude, this has to be said. Either you do the stack OR you are Primal. It's not worth it.
                              As stated before this is solely due to a time crunch. If this was on my own terms I'd go totally natural. The money and (more importantly) the exposure are too important to pass up at this point in my career. Not only for me but for my gym as well.

                              Also, like I stated before, I'd be much happier to never have to do a BB show again. I hate them. There's nothing worse than standing in a light getting judged by out of shape has-beens while you're about to pass out from malnutrition. I'd be much happier sitting at a healthy 260 and lifting axles all day.

                              Thanks for the concern, but unfortunately this is something I have to do.
                              I've got of one them journal thingies. One Night At McCool's

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