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  • #16
    Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
    What part of the pumpkin do you eat? The skin, the insides, the seeds? I have heard of pumpkin pie but I have never heard of someone just eating pumpkin.
    Haha! It's one of my favourite foods, I just eat the 'flesh'. It's delicious just baked, I don't even use any oil, just on some baking paper. Or I just coarsly cut up some and use the food processor to finely chop or grate it and saute it in a bit of water and maybe some spices like mustard or onion, for 5-10 mins. I don't usually eat 1kg though...that was a bit extreme but better than eating 1kg nuts!
    Primal since May 2012. Loving life and down 50lbs.

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    • #17
      The best help I've gotten is from the book Brain Over Binge. The author is a recovered bulimic, but her advice works for anyone who binges or has episodes of compulsive overeating.

      She explains the physiology that 'causes' the urge to binge as well as why it often can't be resisted and offers a technique for aborting the binge that I've found helpful.

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      • #18
        I just keep my binges structured and periodic. I make them very low fat high carb so I at least get some benefits from them and refill some glycogen. For me, It's a good psychological break to have a good binge and it kills my desire to regularly binge on other foods like chocolate.

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        • #19
          Everybody has binges, whoever tells you that they don't is lying. Everything around us tells us to binge unfortunately and our brain sometimes cannot resist.

          When you accept this you can then make sure you can control them (in my experience). I guess that is what the 20% is for.

          I try to structure any binges after a tough workout and I am still losing weight/fat. I am also trying to recreate my favourite foods in a more healthy manner which also seems to help (i.e. lettuce wraps fajitas) curb any temptation.

          Sometimes you just want the real thing though so don't beat yourself up over it. Just try to eat a little better the rest of the week and exercise a bit harder. This is a lifestyle and not a diet!
          2010 - 5,11 and 101KG

          2012 - 5,11 and 77KG

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          • #20
            I, too, think everyone binges, but just maybe doesn't call it that or doesn't want to admit it. I think the peaking and dropping sugar effect (mainly in SAD) contributes as well, and messes up our metabolism response, which primal helps with but it takes time to fix I think. Primal has helped with my binges, but I do still do it. This website here, is pretty poorly written and referenced but it helped me think about myself and what is happening when I'm crashing, and also understand my low carb changes (primal naturally made me much lower carb than SAD, as happens to many).

            You've gotten some great advice, but in my experience, words aren't enough and while the advice SOUNDS good, it's hard to implement or really know how.

            A few tips, which are hopefully practical (note that this is what I do personally and it may not work, we're all different)
            -The not beating yourself up is really important. Once I stopped doing that, my binge periods got shorter and shorter. Now I usually only binge for 1 meal, sometimes 2, but never the multiple-day binges I use to have. I think it's because I try to forgive myself immediately. I just say "hey, it happened, there's my 20%"
            -Don't expect to be perfect. A huge problem with primal people I think is they try to be perfect. That's what the 20% is for!! You cannot be perfect (well, maybe some can, but an accident or slip-up is bound to happen). Really make yourself understand, YOU CANNOT BE 100% PRIMAL.
            -Keep yummy primal foods around. When I want to binge, it is sugary stuff I crave. I dream of chocolate and pudding and sweets. But, I fry up some bacon, maybe some cheese, perhaps some chicken breast meat. Almond butter on banana is another fave. It's hard to just literally keep stuffing yourself, eventually I find the urge just goes away, probably because I'm just annoyed that I'm eating bacon that I don't really want. It usually ends up being about 300 calories before I get over it.
            -Stop thinking of food as reward or punishment. This is a society thing that we've been socialised into, to it's really hard to stop doing. I noticed that whenever I saw a good drop on the scale... I'd buy dark chocolate! How stupid. Bad logic. Then I'd eat it as a treat. It's fine if it could be a treat, like a couple of pieces, but if it turns into a binge it's a big problem.
            -Don't go shopping when hungry or cravey, or eat before you go. I always heard this advice but never followed it, now I do and I'm thankful. I fill my cart with proper stuff instead of buying junk and wanting to eat it in the car like I use to.



            The thing is, we can't be too hard on ourselves. We can't live our lives by rules, forever in fear of a binge. It takes some of the fun out of life, and makes eating too STRESSFUL. You have to find a balance that works for you, and it's not a static thing. You don't find this magical place where your diet works and it's all rainbows and fairies forever, we adapt and change over time and our balance in our diets has to as well. But no one is perfect, really. Who cares if you don't lose weight one week because of a binge, move on. It's difficult, I know (I'm recovering from a month of slooooooow losses due to a few bad choices), but we know it's the right thing to do.

            You wouldn't be here if you didn't care about your health enough to take the time to try and figure yourself out
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            • #21
              My cravings have vanished since I've kept carbs under 50 grams a day. I never want sugar or anything bread-y and I make good looking meals for DH who can't understand how anyone would even want to live if they couldn't eat snickers and whoppers. (I tell him he better live big while he's able.)

              Keep macadamia nuts, about 10, in little bitty baggies, make deviled eggs (Nordic ware egg boiler from amazon, 10 bucks, egg shell practically falls off in your hands), organic strawberries and heavy cream, mash up and freeze for a few minutes, really good, olives and cheddar cheese make a great snack, always be thinking ahead and know what fabulous piece of meat you'll be grilling soon and stay busy doing something other than food related. I've found trying on clothes I'm now barely able to wear is a great way to keep my mind off graham crackers and peanut butter which I miss but don't crave anymore.

              If you can go just a few days without eating anything bad for you, you will be shocked at how it leaves your mind. And exercise, makes a world of difference..

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              • #22
                I have had a hard time with binges myself. One thing I have found to help me out is if I have a craving for something I have a rule that if I am going to binge it can't be on something that is grab and go. I have found there are a lot of things that I can make that'll fit into the primal diet. It takes some research and some looking into to find a recipe that'll work but doing the foot work helps take my mind off the cravings. A side benefit is while i'm doing the research I have found that half of the time my mind gets so side tracked trying to fin a recipe to replace say waffles that the craving goes away before I get close to starting it. There are a lot of good recipes that are primal and tast great and work better for binge food then actual binge food. If I do get around to making something i'll make two or so extra servings for a few days later but never make too much, that way I am forced to do the research and hopefully get side tracked again and make the cravings go away. It has been so effective that two days a week at work they bring in doughnuts and they sit about 15 feet away from my desk. It makes me stare at a pink box for 10 hours straight and I don't get the cravings from it. Hop this helps!

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                • #23
                  I see a lot of "everyone has binges" and I flat out disagree. I can see people eating doughnuts or an Oh henry! bar and it tempts me not at all. You just have to associate the feeling you get from eating them to the foods themselves, and you can quite literally disgust yourself. If you ever read the book, The easy way to quit smoking, he does the same thing with cigarettes and it is a miracle worker.

                  Of course I get hungry a lot, and sometimes I have a hankering for something sweet, but something sweet for me is a piece of fruit. Just one. Do you really think it is natural for us to want things that aren't good for us?

                  I normally order coffee with four cream and zero sugar. One time they gave me sugar and I literally spat the coffee out. Right now my body HATES over sweet foods. Even sucralose disgusts me. I had to throw out an entire kilo of protein powder after I found that out.

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                  • #24
                    Stick to it, and it will go away. The more you say "no", the easier it becomes. It takes months, rather than days. One more trick that works is delaying the treat eating, by either eating something good for you but not associated with pleasure before hand (a can of tuna, a tbsp of coconut oil, whatever else that you know is good, but not exactly exciting) or setting a 'cool down' time before eating a treat (I will eat it. Later. If I still want to.)

                    Or, the binges start on normal foods like fruit, and then progress and get worse and worse.
                    Yep, that is my case too. Unfortunately, only curable by removing fruit from diet and supplementation with 5 HTP. It did took about a months for 5 HTP to calm my serotonine. I tried serotonine diet (basically a tbsp of honey between 2 and 3 pm) and it worked well for me, but I broke out like crazy (my skin and fructose are not friends). So, 5 HTP it is. There is a limit of sweetness that do not trigger sugar binge for me. I can have a carrot, but not a strawberry. I can have lemons. Can't have grapefruits. Cranberries are borderline. Rhubarb Okay. Stevia sweetened quark or Greek yogurt with lemon juice and cocoa powder is Okay too.
                    Last edited by Leida; 06-14-2012, 06:14 AM.
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                    • #25
                      This sounds so familiar to me. I attempted to start my first day yesterday and it all went to crap around lunch. So I guess that means, I got one decent meal in. This morning I had some bread for no good reason. Besides the psychological issue that needs to be fixed, I think the best way to handle it is to be prepared. I didn't have breakfast ready to go this morning and I brought a small lunch yesterday and was really hungry after I ate it. My goal is to set myself up to win and that should curb my cheating.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AdamC29 View Post
                        Everybody has binges, whoever tells you that they don't is lying. Everything around us tells us to binge unfortunately and our brain sometimes cannot resist.

                        When you accept this you can then make sure you can control them (in my experience). I guess that is what the 20% is for.

                        I try to structure any binges after a tough workout and I am still losing weight/fat. I am also trying to recreate my favourite foods in a more healthy manner which also seems to help (i.e. lettuce wraps fajitas) curb any temptation.

                        Sometimes you just want the real thing though so don't beat yourself up over it. Just try to eat a little better the rest of the week and exercise a bit harder. This is a lifestyle and not a diet!
                        How can one possibly structure a binge? Binge - for me this means eating without any control applied. If you are able to plan your overeating, like buying specific food for it or even plan the timing of this, you are clearly in control.
                        I do not think that everybodes binges - as you said before it is a lifestyle and not a diet. Hence letting go once in a while, applying the 20% does not mean binging it just means that one is not obsessive about food all the time

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                        • #27
                          maybe you aren't eating enough or eating properly in the first place. maybe low carb primal/paleo isn't for you. maybe fruit and starchy veggies and things like sweet potatoes should be part of your daily diet. maybe you just shouldn't buy all of that shit (waffles/ice cream/etc) in the first place. maybe you should call it a re-feed day and move on. i think there are a lot of factors at play here.

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                          • #28
                            Create some structure and safety in your house- get all the non Primal out first. Then consider some kind of eating schedule- yeah I think Fast 5 is possible even if you are a binge eater. You could also consider eating Warrior Diet style- eating small amounts of fruit and cheese during the day then a meal at night.
                            Also consider slightly modifying your food list- I think nutritional imbalances/deficiencies drive the binge cycle. More info:
                            Ray Peat Eating Guidelines : Semi Low-Carb Plans Forum : Active Low-Carber Forums

                            I just added milk back after not drinking it for 20 years- really works, is very calming. Yogurt and kefir caused weight gain but for whatever reason cheese and milk don't. You might be deficient in calcium.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JudyCr View Post
                              My cravings have vanished since I've kept carbs under 50 grams a day. I never want sugar or anything bread-y and I make good looking meals for DH who can't understand how anyone would even want to live if they couldn't eat snickers and whoppers. (I tell him he better live big while he's able.)
                              This worked for me but I can't say I was the kind of binge eater that went on a rampage. I was just someone who had a sweet breakfast, then 2 hours later went for a big pastry, then 2 hours later some candy, then maybe more candy, then maybe dessert after dinner...It never amounted to much but it was hard to eat only real food, I didn't feel good on just real food. I "needed" the sugar. The low carb high fat obliterated that need entirely like a miracle. Not for everyone but it worked for me.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                              • #30
                                I ate low carb for a decade, didn't binge but got progressively more and more unhealthy. No longer believe restricting carbs is the ticket but have gone back to a "sweet spot" Zone perspective- at least 100 gram a day though I don't count. Eating 70-100 grams of good quality protein and a lot of fat is what I focus on mostly and what has never not worked. The only carbs to avoid are grains.

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