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    First... I am NOT. vegetarian. I do not want to be (which I feel makes this even harder). But, I still live at home and cannot have meat of any kind in the house (this includes all sea creatures). I try to eat meat from decent places out of the house a couple times a week, but I can't really afford to eat out more than that.

    I'm not trying to lose weight -- just be healthier. I feel better when I eat primal. What I'm wondering, though, is your opinions on reincorporating a few meals a week of things like beans and rice? I know they aren't fantastic, but it would help a lot. I worry about not getting enough protein, and although I supplement with protein powder, it's so expensive. And the rice could help bulk up things like veggie stir-fry or I could do Spanish rice with burrito filling.

    Should I just try reincorporating some higher starch/carby things that don't contain gluten and just see how my body feels and go by that? Do you guys have specific suggestions? Pretty, pretty please?

  • #2
    Do they allow dairy products and/or eggs at your house? If so, learn to love eggs (especially Farmer's Market eggs), plain yoghurt (without added sugars, add your own fresh herbs for flavor), and of course, in small amounts, cheese!

    Mark has long said that while vegan is hard to do in a primal sense, it's not impossible to theoretically do the diet as a vegetarian willing to incorporate eggs and dairy for protein sources. It just means a LOT of eggs...
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • #3
      I already eat eggs and I make my own organic whole milk yogurt. The problem I then have is variety. So I have yogurt for one meal, and eggs and veggies for another... well... what's meal 3? I haven't made it to where I can IF yet. I haven't even cut out snacks yet. Sometimes I do steamed veggies with home made primal cheese sauce... but I'm suffering from a serious lack of variety.

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      • #4
        I would say that you could make a third meal out of sweet potato "fries" and hollendaise or mayo (home made) which are egg based, will get the fat/protein up, and overall be yummy.

        You can use the whites to make macaroons -- there's not much to macaroons. And, it's a nice "treat" really. I have added more coconut flour or coconut flakes in lieu of sugar, so you can always decrease the amount of sweet. I like mine more "coconut" than sugar.

        While your carbs might be up -- i don't know what your needs are -- it gives you another way to eat these foods that's not "typical".

        And if you want to consume beans and rice, then do.

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        • #5
          Well, I don't know what your ethics are, but mine surely wouldn't prevent me from stocking up on cans of tuna under my mattress.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kitbug View Post
            I already eat eggs and I make my own organic whole milk yogurt. The problem I then have is variety. So I have yogurt for one meal, and eggs and veggies for another... well... what's meal 3? I haven't made it to where I can IF yet. I haven't even cut out snacks yet. Sometimes I do steamed veggies with home made primal cheese sauce... but I'm suffering from a serious lack of variety.
            Do you have a local salad bar that you can hit up cheaply? I have one and I love it. That could make a good option for a third meal. I mean, not daily, but on occasion. They have shredded tuna as an option to sprinkle on the veggies which could make a good protein source as well as hard boiled eggs and cheese.
            "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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            • #7
              There are much worse things than beans and rice. Feel free to indulge in those until you have greater control over your meals.

              You can improve these by soaking or sprouting ala Weston A Price Foundation recommendations. Perhaps suggest to your gaolers that they buy Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon
              Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

              Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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              • #8
                Originally posted by peril View Post
                There are much worse things than beans and rice. Feel free to indulge in those until you have greater control over your meals.

                You can improve these by soaking or sprouting ala Weston A Price Foundation recommendations. Perhaps suggest to your gaolers that they buy Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon
                +1
                Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kitbug View Post
                  First... I am NOT. vegetarian. I do not want to be (which I feel makes this even harder). But, I still live at home and cannot have meat of any kind in the house (this includes all sea creatures). I try to eat meat from decent places out of the house a couple times a week, but I can't really afford to eat out more than that.

                  I'm not trying to lose weight -- just be healthier. I feel better when I eat primal. What I'm wondering, though, is your opinions on reincorporating a few meals a week of things like beans and rice? I know they aren't fantastic, but it would help a lot. I worry about not getting enough protein, and although I supplement with protein powder, it's so expensive. And the rice could help bulk up things like veggie stir-fry or I could do Spanish rice with burrito filling.

                  Should I just try reincorporating some higher starch/carby things that don't contain gluten and just see how my body feels and go by that? Do you guys have specific suggestions? Pretty, pretty please?
                  Just avoid the bad stuff...

                  Now let’s compare that “avoid” list with what Kurt Harris refers to as the three neolithic agents of disease—the modern nasties driving many of our health woes:
                  • Excess fructose
                  • Excess linoleic acid (typically from high-omega-6 oils like soybean oil)
                  • Wheat or gluten


                  Ancestral or “paleo” diets specifically eliminate all three. Incidentally, the near-vegan diets with a track record for fighting disease eliminate the first two. And in many cases, they inadvertently slash wheat intake by promoting a more diverse spectrum of grains, tubers, and legumes than the average person on an industrialized diet consumes (in which grain products are overwhelmingly wheat-based).
                  Personally, I would avoid all grains because you may not know which one you'll have reactions to. I don't have any obvious problems with wheat, but definitely problems with brown rice and sorghum.

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                  • #10
                    If your guardians won't let you buy your own meat, and your own pan to cook it in, with your own money, then you need to move out asap. I respect some people have spiritual/ethical beliefs but they cannot justify forcing someone else to eat in a way that will make them malnourished. You have the right to eat what you want.
                    Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
                    Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
                    Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
                    WOE: Primal + IF
                    Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
                    Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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                    • #11
                      If i was to go vegetetarian then i would focus on

                      - Eggs
                      - Cheese and Yoghurt ( full fat)
                      - Olive oil
                      - Fish oil
                      - Coconut products

                      Them 5 items will give you some really good quality fats and proteins. If you have an autoimmune disease then eggs and dairy may not be suitable. Potatoes and white rice can also be a decnet protein and carbohydrate source for vegetarians. Infact, white rice is probalby the least allergenic grain.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks guys...

                        I'm on my phone and forgot who said what... but a follow-up on some comments.

                        I'd have no problem stocking things like cans of tuna in hiding, but they seem insanely expensive? And I'm still trying to develop a taste for fish.

                        Meat it not allowed in the house. Period. I think the real issue is both ethical, and then that my mom has TONS of food allergies and is on this modified vegan diet. She freaks out if you don't scrub and then boil anything that touches eggs or cheese, so meat is completely out of the question... I'm working on moving out, but I can't afford it at this time.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kitbug View Post
                          Thanks guys...

                          I'm on my phone and forgot who said what... but a follow-up on some comments.

                          I'd have no problem stocking things like cans of tuna in hiding, but they seem insanely expensive? And I'm still trying to develop a taste for fish.

                          Meat it not allowed in the house. Period. I think the real issue is both ethical, and then that my mom has TONS of food allergies and is on this modified vegan diet. She freaks out if you don't scrub and then boil anything that touches eggs or cheese, so meat is completely out of the question... I'm working on moving out, but I can't afford it at this time.
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