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  • #31
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Captain Iodine to the Rescue!

    Grizz, give it up. You are acting like an idiot. How is anyone supposed to take a forum poster seriously who doles out advice about painting one's testicles with iodine and claims it is the cure for just about every disease known to humanity?
    PaleoBird,

    If you are so skeptical, why don't you read our many testimonials ? ?
    Click on the Table of Contents to navigate:
    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

    Also getting iodine into the sickly prostate gland in the fastest most direct way means painting the skin as close to the prostate as possible, a swollen prostate is caused by iodine deficiency.

    This concept was proven by Dr. Kruse on a patient in his med school:
    One clinical finding I always ask about is the presence of fibrocystic breast disease. When it is present I immediately think the woman is likely suffering from an undiagnosed iodine deficiency. I distinctly remember in medical school seeing a woman’s fibrocystic disease cured in less than an hour by an ancient physician who taught us how to examine a women’s breasts. She had volunteered to be a guinea pig for us during our medical education, and on this day we could not examine her without making her scream and cry because her breasts were so tender to palpation. Our MD proctor was about 80 years old and he too was a volunteer helping us learn our craft. He stopped me from examining her breasts and asked her a few questions and then he asked us to leave the room. He applied Lugol’s solution to her vulva and her nipples and we were able to examine her without any pain a half hour later. It made a huge impression on me. He asked her if she was on any thyroid meds and if she had bad energy or weight gain. A lack of iodine was the source of her painful breasts. Her labs did not reveal any major issues when we saw her. I never forgot this lesson on the thyroid.
    WHAT ARE THE TOP TEN PALEO SUPPLEMENTS? - Jack Kruse
    Do you believe Dr. Kruse ? ?

    Don't be so skeptical. Iodine is absolutely required for good health. Female organs require a lot of iodine to prevent Fibrocystic Breast Disease, PCOS, Endometriosis & Cysts. And no, iodine does NOT cure every disease. Just diseases of the organs that require iodine. If you don't believe this, I have MANY doctor articles for you to read here:
    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

    So, bottom line, the ones who refuse to read the factual documents written by many doctors are the real IDIOTS.
    Grizz
    Last edited by Grizz; 06-09-2012, 01:18 PM.

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    • #32
      Oh god that is awful, I really feel for you, your mum and your whole family.

      I went to a "motivational" talk about 3 years ago called the Mind Store and the guy, Jack Black there told us about this thing that he claims cures cancer. I don't know for sure if it works, but its gotta be worth a shot,

      Fkaxseed oil mixed with Quark Cheese.

      Its called "The Budwig Diet"

      You can look it up online, I will hold you and your family in my thoughts and wish for your troubles to get better x

      p.s. here is a link I found:

      http://www.budwigcenter.com/
      http://soundcloud.com/heidi-ellen-whurr/translucent

      http://soundcloud.com/heidi-ellen-wh...-sie-ungeheuer

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Supercell View Post
        Oh god that is awful, I really feel for you, your mum and your whole family.

        I went to a "motivational" talk about 3 years ago called the Mind Store and the guy, Jack Black there told us about this thing that he claims cures cancer. I don't know for sure if it works, but its gotta be worth a shot,

        Fkaxseed oil mixed with Quark Cheese.

        Its called "The Budwig Diet"

        You can look it up online, I will hold you and your family in my thoughts and wish for your troubles to get better x

        p.s. here is a link I found:

        Budwig Diet Center - Natural Alternative Cancer Treatment
        Jesus Jumping Jehosephat Christ!

        I thought you were kidding. But then I clicked the link. Cottage cheese, flax oil, and coffee enemas are evidently the miracle cure for cancer.

        There is unconventional and then there is just plain stupid.

        THINK PEOPLE. PLEASE.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Grizz View Post
          PaleoBird,

          If you are so skeptical, why don't you read our many testimonials ? ?
          Click on the Table of Contents to navigate:
          http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

          Also getting iodine into the sickly prostate gland in the fastest most direct way means painting the skin as close to the prostate as possible, a swollen prostate is caused by iodine deficiency.

          This concept was proven by Dr. Kruse on a patient in his med school:
          Do you believe Dr. Kruse ? ?

          Don't be so skeptical. Iodine is absolutely required for good health. Female organs require a lot of iodine to prevent Fibrocystic Breast Disease, PCOS, Endometriosis & Cysts. And no, iodine does NOT cure every disease. Just diseases of the organs that require iodine. If you don't believe this, I have MANY doctor articles for you to read here:
          http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

          So, bottom line, the ones who refuse to read the factual documents written by many doctors are the real IDIOTS.
          Grizz
          Oh, well if Dr K says so, it must be true, right?

          ETA : I read the so called proof by Dr K. First of all He didn't prove anything. He says he witnessed a demonstration by a 80 year old professor while in med school. A lady claiming to have fibro cystic breasts that were painful to the touch was painted on the vulva and nipples with iodine and told by the nice man in the white coat that her breasts would then feel fine and, lo and behold, they did. Not to mention the fact that this has nothing to do with cancer, that was a predictable placebo effect on one person a long time ago who may not have had anything wrong with her in the first place.

          That is the best you can do for scientific proof?
          Last edited by Paleobird; 06-09-2012, 02:50 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            Oh, well if Dr K says so, it must be true, right?

            ETA : I read the so called proof by Dr K. First of all He didn't prove anything. He says he witnessed a demonstration by a 80 year old professor while in med school. A lady claiming to have fibro cystic breasts that were painful to the touch was painted on the vulva and nipples with iodine and told by the nice man in the white coat that her breasts would then feel fine and, lo and behold, they did. Not to mention the fact that this has nothing to do with cancer, that was a predictable placebo effect on one person a long time ago who may not have had anything wrong with her in the first place.

            That is the best you can do for scientific proof?
            As I said, read through all of the testimonials and doctor written articles here:
            There are also research reports to give you proofs.
            http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

            You can also read of THOUSANDS of iodine success stories here at the CureZone Iodine Group:
            http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815&p=259

            and you can read thousands more iodine success stories here at the Yahoo Iodine Group:
            http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/

            Grizz
            Last edited by Grizz; 06-09-2012, 07:17 PM.

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            • #36
              PaleoBird,
              See the previous message.

              Grizz

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                PaleoBird,
                See the previous message.

                Grizz
                Grizz, I know your heart is in the right place but none of that is proof of anything other than that Dr. Brownstein is a good book salesman. The rest is just a collection of nitwits painting their genitalia with iodine and then talking about it together online.
                Just eat some seafood and/or sea veggies and your iodine needs will be met just fine. A lot less messy too.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  Grizz, I know your heart is in the right place but none of that is proof of anything other than that Dr. Brownstein is a good book salesman. The rest is just a collection of nitwits painting their genitalia with iodine and then talking about it together online.
                  Just eat some seafood and/or sea veggies and your iodine needs will be met just fine. A lot less messy too.
                  PaleoBird,
                  Sorry to say, but that is the WORST way to get your iodine. Seaweed is contaminated with toxins including arsenic. And now the Fukushima Nuclear crises is contaminating the entire pacific with radioactive fish & seaweed, and there is no end in sight for the radioactive water gushing into the sea. Mercury is poisoning many species of sea fish. The object is to reduce the toxins in our body, not increase toxin levels with contaminated seafood.

                  Lugols & iodoral iodine is pure and toxin free. Eat contaminated seafood? NO WAY, and NOT recommended by any iodine doctor.

                  Shame on you for calling Dr. Kruse & Dr. Brownstein liers.

                  Have you even looked at our TESTIMONIALS ? Click on the chapter Testimonials in this file:
                  http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

                  Have you even looked at the RESEARCH chapter in the above file? I think you just dismiss everything offhand. Iodine cured my Prostate problems. Are you going to call me a lier ?

                  Grizz
                  Last edited by Grizz; 06-10-2012, 08:01 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Low Carb, Low Protein, High Fat should work well. Vegetables, coconut, butter, fish oil, olive oil etc

                    Best of luck

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                    • #40
                      Wrenwood, thanks for the input. I'll try to start with coconut milk/coconut oil smoothies in addition to veggiefruit smoothies. The blenderizing tip was a good reminder - my mom had dental surgery a while ago and couldn't eat solid food for like a month - she actually cooked up regual food like fish, ground beef, eggs and vegetables and put it all in the blender and drank it...just the thought of it makes me a little queasy, but apparently she's okay with it, so I'll keep that in mind.

                      Supercell, thanks for your sympathy. I took a look at the Budwig diet but I don't really think it's the way to go - it promotes flaxseed oil and cottage cheese everyday (which is something she already consumes, so if it didn't prevent the cancer, I find it hard to believe it will help it!) plus the diet is anti-meat and pro-whole grains, so it kinda seems like a CW diet.

                      And Grizz, as i was making this post, I had the thought, 'I bet Grizz is going to suggest iodine!" and voila! I can't really talk her out of the chemo, but I will look into iodine to see if it would be a good complement, thanks for the links - i appreciate it.

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                      • #41
                        BestBetter, Grizz goes through phases like this. One time it is leptin. the next month everybody is massively vitamin D deficient and must take 10 million IU a day or the sky is going to fall. His latest kick is iodine. He read a book, drank the Kool aid and is now preaching it from the internet rooftops. He means well but he takes things to extremes and believes some very questionable sources unquestioningly.

                        I hope you have better critical thinking skills, for your mom's sake. Excess iodine can be just as harmful as insufficient iodine if not more so. It can trash your thyroid which is the last thing that someone on chemo needs. Yet we have a bunch of people on the iodine thread self-diagnosing as deficient and mega dosing with iodine. Unless an iodine insufficiency is medically DIAGNOSED, nobody should be taking iodine. It is nothing to fool around with.

                        I second the smoothies and smooth soups recommendation. Putting regular food in the blender and making cream of whatever soup really works. I found dairy product problematic and anything spicy but that may vary from person to person.

                        Also, I don't know what the laws are in your area, but you might consider procuring a bit of the smokable nausea suppressant for your mom if you catch my drift. I don't normally partake in the herb but it really helped me while on chemo to keep food down.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                          PaleoBird,
                          Sorry to say, but that is the WORST way to get your iodine. Seaweed is contaminated with toxins including arsenic. And now the Fukushima Nuclear crises is contaminating the entire pacific with radioactive fish & seaweed, and there is no end in sight for the radioactive water gushing into the sea. Mercury is poisoning many species of sea fish. The object is to reduce the toxins in our body, not increase toxin levels with contaminated seafood.

                          Lugols & iodoral iodine is pure and toxin free. Eat contaminated seafood? NO WAY, and NOT recommended by any iodine doctor.

                          Shame on you for calling Dr. Kruse & Dr. Brownstein liers.

                          Have you even looked at our TESTIMONIALS ? Click on the chapter Testimonials in this file:
                          http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

                          Have you even looked at the RESEARCH chapter in the above file? I think you just dismiss everything offhand. Iodine cured my Prostate problems. Are you going to call me a lier ?
                          Depending on where your veggies are grown they could have toxic substances in them too. And so could the animals who graze on the toxic grass. Shall we all just stop eating then? The concentration of toxins in my nori wrap is not enough to harm me while it is plenty to give me any iodine I might need. And run a geiger counter over my sushi, I dare ya. Nope. No radiation. Calm the eff down, Grizz.

                          The fact that "iodine doctors" recommend something means nothing to me. They are recommending their products and selling their books, all based on hype and fear and you have bought it hook, line, and radiation free sinker.

                          I never called Dr. Brownstein a liar just a good book salesman. Kruse , OTOH, has a long history of playing fast and loose with the truth. Both Richard at Free the Animal and Robb Wolf have gotten tired of his shenanigans and called him out publicly.

                          Testimonials, yeahright. There are lots of testimonials on the page for the guy who sells pool disinfectant as a cancer cure too.
                          Anecdotes =/= evidence. Your case is just one more anecdote. I am not calling you a liar. Just a well meaning guy who drank some Kool aid.

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                          • #43
                            Well to put it in perspective the iodine docs peddling their own cure and books are really no different than the oncologist peddling their own cure and book. Oncologists just have better funding and lobbyist. Just saying. I'm not even a big iodine fan except you do have to recognize that it is quit good in improving immune function, and cancer is at least in some respect an immune disorder.

                            In general you must treat health. Give your body an abundance of what it needs to be well (nutrition, movement, thought/rest/social) and remove toxins. There are no shortcuts in that respect. If you choose to add surgery....chemo....or radiation to that to treat the specific process then so be it (and this may be quite necessary), but recognize that the intervention is the adjunct therapy. Treating health is primary.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by moorewapyun
                              I definitely have plans to bring an armload of meatstock bones from the farmers market so I can make some killer bone broths, but I'm worried she won't want anything hot for a little while
                              FYI I freeze the broth and use it in smoothies for my son. Its the only way he eats it, but this may be a good way for you to add some nutrition to a cold smooth drink for your mom....

                              Woops responded to a spam bot didn't I?....ah well I stand by it.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                                Well to put it in perspective the iodine docs peddling their own cure and books are really no different than the oncologist peddling their own cure and book. Oncologists just have better funding and lobbyist. Just saying. I'm not even a big iodine fan except you do have to recognize that it is quit good in improving immune function, and cancer is at least in some respect an immune disorder.

                                In general you must treat health. Give your body an abundance of what it needs to be well (nutrition, movement, thought/rest/social) and remove toxins. There are no shortcuts in that respect. If you choose to add surgery....chemo....or radiation to that to treat the specific process then so be it (and this may be quite necessary), but recognize that the intervention is the adjunct therapy. Treating health is primary.
                                Sorry but I call BS. My oncologist works for an HMO. He gets the same salary if I live or die. He is not selling anything. He is advising me to do what he honestly thinks is best for my health because he actually cares. What a concept. The doctor bashing around here gets really old. These people are f@cking heroes! They should be saluted for the hard (very hard) work that they do. They save people's lives day in and day out.

                                Insufficient iodine can be a problem. But people self diagnosing as being deficient in iodine because someone who wanted to sell them books about iodine and iodine supplements said so is a bigger problem because mega doses of iodine when you don't need them will trash your thyroid.

                                Total agreement about treating health. It is the best way to prevent a cancer from happening. I'm all in favor of that. But once you have a cancer you do have to treat the illness, like it or not. No amount of pool disinfectant, iodine, or coffee enemas is going to make that just go away.

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