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  • #16
    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Your body burns dietary fat before it burns stored body fat. If you are eating less carbs, you're filling the space with more fat so you just have more fat to burn through before you tap into stores. It doesn't matter if you eat fat or carbs in terms of weight loss, it comes down to the energy deficit. Eating 1,200 calories of carbs will take you out of "fat burning mode", but if that's all you eat all day you're going to burn more fat than if you ate 1,800 calories of butter and steak assuming similar protein intake.

    Listen to your body and give it what it wants. If you're having a carb craving, your brain probably wants glucose. If you don't want carbs, don't eat them. I prefer to eat my carbier meal at my last meal of the day because carbs help you sleep. I'd rather have the bottom of the blood sugar curve fall around bedtime than while I'm working.
    Chaco-

    I thought you just said in an earlier thread that you ate "too low" of calories and wrecked your metabolism and that you put on all the weight you lost when you went back to eating "normal". Isnt' the acknowledgement of a wrecked metabolism an acknowledgement of the flaw in an overly simple CICO approach?

    -Go Pre

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Go-Pre View Post
      Chaco-

      I thought you just said in an earlier thread that you ate "too low" of calories and wrecked your metabolism and that you put on all the weight you lost when you went back to eating "normal". Isnt' the acknowledgement of a wrecked metabolism an acknowledgement of the flaw in an overly simple CICO approach?

      -Go Pre
      No. My metabolism is fine. I did eat too low calories for awhile so my weight loss was in my muscles, not my fat. My lifts were suffering. My deadlift dropped about 15 lbs, my benchpress dropped 10 lbs and my recovery was poor. Simply upping my calories for 2 weeks fixed all this. My deadlift and benchpress have already fully recovered. CICO is pretty absolute because CICO only takes into account weight - it doesn't differentiate between fat and muscle, so too great of a deficit tends to preserve fat and remove muscle while smaller deficits tend to promote fat loss and preserve muscle. At least that's my experience. None of these things hinge on a "wrecked metabolism." It's incredibly difficult to "wreck your metabolism" and a -25% caloric deficit for a few weeks or months isn't going to do that.
      Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
        CICO is pretty absolute because CICO only takes into account weight - it doesn't differentiate between fat and muscle, so too great of a deficit tends to preserve fat and remove muscle while smaller deficits tend to promote fat loss and preserve muscle. At least that's my experience. None of these things hinge on a "wrecked metabolism." It's incredibly difficult to "wreck your metabolism" and a -25% caloric deficit for a few weeks or months isn't going to do that.
        spot on, as usual. i think people on paleo message forums round the net seem to use this 'wrecked metabolism'/'metabolically deranged' concept way, way too much, until it becomes a crutch to support whatever bizarre theory makes them think calories don't matter. if you're alive, and you're not pathologically ill with major endocrine dysfunction, your metabolism works just fine.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
          I think that many women find it works best to put the carbs at dinner or at least the 2nd half of the day. A high protein breakfast helps with leptin sensitivity and seems to make it easier not to snack and graze all day. Carbs later in the day help you sleep and help with insulin sensitivity. At least some women report these things.

          This article I read today was pretty interesting.
          Paleo For Women | Carbohydrates for Fertility and Health
          this is what works for me too. Carbs early in the day mean I am more prone to snack the afternoon. I eat in an 8-9 hour window. My 1st meal is usually around 11AM-12PM and I make it high protein & high fat. I eat a load of veggies late afternoon and then have a high protein dinner with veggies and 1/2 a sweet potato or yam in some form. If I feel like a treat I have a banana or a few squares of dark chocolate around 8 PM. Go to bed at 9:30/ 10PM and am dead to the world until the sun comes up. Works well for me.

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          • #20
            Nice to see so much common sense on this thread.

            Thanks for posting that article sbhikes - it certainly rings true for me. The Paleo for Women site looks a great resource.
            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
              The Paleo for Women site looks a great resource.
              Just exploring it but it does look interesting. I just started reading her bit on women & IF.
              65lbs gone and counting!!

              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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              • #22
                Just chiming in to say the low-carb breakfast/high-carb dinner approach works really well for me too. I have energy all day and sleep more deeply than I have in years.

                I also discovered quite by accident that too much carb in my lunch (a small serving of white rice, for example) makes me dangerously sleepy on my commute home from work. So my lunches are low-carb too. I save most or all of my carbs for dinner.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jakey View Post
                  spot on, as usual. i think people on paleo message forums round the net seem to use this 'wrecked metabolism'/'metabolically deranged' concept way, way too much, until it becomes a crutch to support whatever bizarre theory makes them think calories don't matter. if you're alive, and you're not pathologically ill with major endocrine dysfunction, your metabolism works just fine.
                  People develop orthorexia eating this way. They get so food obsessed that they become terrified and anxious over certain foods. "Wrecked metabolism" is just a defense mechanism to justify their eating disorder in their heads. Very few people have a wrecked metabolism - my personal favorite are the people that claim to have gotten fat eating 1,200 calories on a SAD diet but lost weight eating 5,000 calories on the PB. It makes my head hurt. There are crazy people in every group, and the Church of Paleo has some of the whackiest members.

                  I just saw a woman on Facebook talking about how she only eats meat and eggs because eating green vegetables shoots her blood sugar through the roof and makes her binge on carbs, and her "wrecked metabolism" can't handle vegetables. I almost threw up in my mouth. Now we're demonizing lettuce because it has too many carbs.
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    People develop orthorexia eating this way. There are crazy people in every group, and the Church of Paleo has some of the whackiest members.
                    Quoting for truth.
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                    • #25
                      It's easy to wreck your metabolism, especially as a woman. Women are taught very young how to do it and they excel at it in ways that men simply will never understand.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        It's easy to wreck your metabolism, especially as a woman. Women are taught very young how to do it and they excel at it in ways that men simply will never understand.
                        It's "easy" to wreck your metabolism in the sense that the SAD is the specific diet that wrecks your metabolism. Take into consideration that it takes decades eating the absolute foods possible to wreck your metabolism. Taking that perspective, it's incredibly difficult. The human body is very resilient, and this is evident that decades of horrible food choices can be reversed in a couple months - just look at the success stories on this site. In fact, I'd go as far to say that it's nearly impossible to "wreck your metabolism" eating primally.
                        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                        • #27
                          I use intermittent fasting as my main fat-zapping trick. I mostly stick to 2 meals per day, lunch late afternoon and dinner early evening. I occasionally have a light breakfast when I feel I need it, and occasionally have only dinner if I am too busy for lunch. So my daily fast varies between 12-24 hours.

                          I've heard that eating something low carb can be almost as good as fasting but a bit easier to do, but I personally find it easier to skip a meal rather than have an unsatisfying snack. Some who do intense weightlifting sessions swear by a proteiny/fatty snack after their workout to avoid an insulin spike and keep the growth hormone pumping instead. I think this is a good idea and would eat eggs as a post-run snack, but I kind of phased out snacking so now I just have a meal within a couple hours of finishing a run.

                          I don't really worry about macronutrient ratios much. My carbs come mainly from veggies (which are ridiculously hard to overeat!) and a limited amount of fruit and yoghurt. So my diet is inherently low on carbs anyway.
                          Last edited by CaveWeirdo; 06-08-2012, 05:43 PM.
                          Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
                          Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
                          Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
                          WOE: Primal + IF
                          Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
                          Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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                          • #28
                            Chaco, you do not understand women. We learn very early how to do disordered eating. The disordered eating wrecks our metabolism. It also wrecks our relationship to food, any food, and to our bodies. It wrecks our neurotransmitters. It wrecks our sex hormones.

                            I have read your recent post. I think you are well on your way to wrecking your own metabolism, or at least wrecking your relationship to food and your body. At least you got the title of that post right.
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #29
                              Lately, I've been eating my first meal in the afternoon, usually low carb, and then have something higher in carbs for my second meal at dinner. Sometimes I do the opposite. Sometimes I don't eat any carbs one day, and the next day I eat yams, rice, fruit, potatoes, some protein in there somewhere. I never notice that my sleep is different depending on when I eat my carbs, but i generally prefer to save them for the later part of the day. However, I like to mix things up because I personally don't think humans are meant to do anything too regimented/routine, and i do better with a little variation.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                                my personal favorite are the people that claim to have gotten fat eating 1,200 calories on a SAD diet but lost weight eating 5,000 calories on the PB. It makes my head hurt. There are crazy people in every group, and the Church of Paleo has some of the whackiest members.
                                The thing is - this actually happened to me? As soon as I cut refined crabs and most fruit out of my diet my composition started to change. I started dropping fat. And I havent eaten so much fat (or calories) in years - I constantly pig out on nuts and full fat Greek Yogurt, but if I eat bread and / or rice once a day for a week I put on weight. (I haven't touched pasta in years for that precise reason.)

                                I actually read a study recently where two groups of overweight women were fed identical food, with one difference - except one group were given a daily portion of macadamias. After a number of weeks, the macademia women had lost more weight. Go figure.

                                Now, back to crazy camp for me
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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