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    When I first went primal (2 years ago today!) my skin cleared up nicely. I got my first compliment on my skin! With having PCOS, and acne as one of the main symptoms, I was beyond thrilled. But the last 6 months -year I have had persistent jawline/neck acne.

    Last month I went off Metformin to see how my hormones would regulate and so far so good! Except the acne. I would love to stay off Met. I have been trying treat naturally. I added in some herbal supplements for my hormones ( goat's rue & DIM) and have also done brewers yeast, fermented cod liver/high vitamin oil, probiotics. I also added kelp for the iodine.

    Today I am starting the 21 day Sugar Detox.... Which cuts out dairy too. Butter is still ok. I am sure it will help me overall. I hope it helps the acne.

    Right now the acne is only on my neck over the lymph nodes.

    Does anyone have any insights or suggestions. I love how my body has been transforming...now I just need my skin to cooperate.
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  • #2
    Cutting out sugar and dairy should definitely help big time!

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    • #3
      acne is such a mystery, don't ever let anyone tell you it's simple! but for me, nuts and cheese definitely provoke a reaction. i skip those, i have clear skin. i tend to get pimples on my back (bacne) otherwise, which is just lovely.

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      • #4
        Acne is a mystery.. I do know that its related to inflammation & irritation, both of which are internal influences.. Sugar & dairy should eliminate inflammation.. Could be the soap you are using, maybe your'e washing too much, too little? using an abrasive soap?

        For me, eliminating sugar really cleaned the color up in my skin & cleared things up.. I didn't have "acne" but sugar is inflammatory & when the body calms, skin should heal..

        Try fasting as well.. Drinking more water, sleep better, like I said above, changing up the washing routine? I would just experiment like crazy & pay close attention to how you feel & how your skin looks from washing & eating a certain way for a period of time.. Every body is different, there is no one on this forum that can tell what works.. Your body & skin is unique, experirment with it.. Sleep, sugar, dairy, dehydration, stress, facial soap should all be critical variables in your experiment

        Lastly, I cut CARBS out almost completely & my skin looks better than ever.. Carbs drive insulin, that drive INFLAMMATION.. Potatoes destroy my gut, make my skin look horrible, as well as rice, etc.. Only veggies for me, & a piece of fruit once a day.. Apparantly its a sin around here to lower carbs below 50g a day, but after I went to a Very LOW carb plan, my skin, hair, & teeth shine.. I think Carbs a problem for my body, may be for yours too.. May want to try & cut them back all together, see if your body calms down (raise fats)
        Last edited by abc123; 06-06-2012, 10:32 AM.

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        • #5
          NB: one full stop at the end of sentences. Not two.. okay, grammar rant over, all in good humor.

          I've tried everything from antibiotics, veganism, restricting dairy, restricting wheat, going Primal, going totally paleo, cutting sugar, aaaaaand... I still get acne. And not just the teenager kind - I get that, plus the cystic kind, and worse now at age 30 than at age 20. (I just spent some time looking at teenage photos of me and I was like, wait, really?!) Once I even developed cellulitis in my face and a fever. The only thing I haven't tried is a formalized GAPS trial, because it seemed too consuming, not very data-rich (and therefore unconvincing to me as a science geek), and it didn't sound like I would be able to see results in a way that would convince me in a data set of one.

          The only thing I've found that works is very low dose isotretinoin/accutane/roaccutane, whatever you call it where you live. This is not by the usual method of high-dose, high-side effect, short term route. I go off the grid (definitely not MD-approved) and take about 40 mg weekly. (I take a 20mg capsule on a Wednesday and a Sunday, ish - plus loads of drug holidays where I just don't take any whatsoever for a couple of months.) It seems to have knocked off all the side effects, my skin looks clear and bright and has finally - FINALLY, after months and months and months of hell - healed up from all the inflammation that was in it before. Now I can do things like go camping and not wash my face at precise 12-hour intervals with distilled spring water and organic coconut oil or whatever without immediately getting five pus-filled cysts with big red margins all over the place.

          So this approach might not work for you, or you might be scared of all the terrifying (and slightly internet-hyped) side effects, or you might be one of those people for whom if you can't see the drug coming from the plant itself, the drug is bad. Or it might be that you weigh some of the admittedly unknown side-effects here in my experiment of n = 1 where there has been zero long term survey. But, I choose to look at it as worth it, because I get my life back, I get to do Primal things (like go play outside at will! and wear hats in the sun! and jump in rivers!) without making my skin actually hurt, and I don't have to spend an extra 2 hours a day trying in vain to put on concealer. Also, I see being Primal as a bulwark against any potential side effects I might be incurring. That is, maybe accutane is doing me a little damage - fine, I'm willing to accept a little damage for not being hideous and I think that the life I gain in not being hideous/inflamed all the time is helping me be healthy enough that any damage is getting continuously fixed up by my own body.

          Best of luck. There's a lot of advice out here. Loads of us here have "that one thing" that worked for us, so enjoy plowing through the stacks.

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          • #6
            I'm not sure what caused my acne honestly, think it may have been related to thyroid dysfunction, low calorie dieting, inadequate saturated fats, and eating too many PUFAs- fish didn't trigger it but it didn't improve it either. I don't think dairy caused it.

            Maybe consult a professional:
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            • #7
              I'm on GAPS diet effectively right now, and i've noticed a meat+fat+veggies diet calms everything down and occasionally i will notice my skin to be somewhat glowing and redness down. Dairy (particularly cheese for some reason) and most nuts (unless really well prepared) seem to affect me definitley. Sugar isn't an issue for me because i don't crave it, but if i consumed it regularly i would say it would cause inflammation.

              Carbs like rice and potatoe probably do contribute for me, but i plan on having 1 serving of either a week when i feel confident to reintroduce them. Nightshades is another possibility to look into, as i suspect it may cause some joint pains in me which i believe is a form of inflammation so there you go.

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              • #8
                I can't offer any additional insights upon the cause of acne, since I also agree that the cause of acne is complicated and varies from person to person. What has worked for me, outside of a healthful diet, is a topical 20% salicylic acid peel, used once a week. I got mine on Amazon (unaffiliated) 6 months ago and I think it saved my face.
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                • #9
                  I thought that going primal had helped but I think it was just that the antibiotics I came off, in an attempt to be completely clean and help my gut, took a while to get out of my system, because this month it came back with a vengeance! It is difficult for me to pin point as my acne is soooo bad when I am due on, then clears somewhat afterwards for about a week then starts the slippery slope towards a whole chin/neck/jaw-line full before my next period.

                  I have just started the whole 30 to see if cutting out dairy will help with the problem, my skin is healing this week, but I have just finished my monthlies so I can't judge if it's the lack of dairy or the hormones (hopefully the former). Cutting out dairy is my last ditch attempt before I probably go back on the anti-biotics. However I have seen that one persons cure is not another's, so I don't think there are any hard and fast rules, whilst there tend to be regular culprits, I guess it's each to their own?
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                  • #10
                    badbunny - beware - it was long-term antibiotics that made the beasts in my face get resistant and have a cellulitis party. but, best of luck cos even though we're all in this together... it's going to be totally different things that work for all of us.

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                    • #11
                      Going off dairy helps me with my skin -- I have a recurring bumpy rash just beneath my elbows, and when I'm off dairy, the rash recedes. It's still there, but it's much, much less red/bumpy. And my facial skin also tends to clear up when I'm off dairy.
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                      • #12
                        My acne on the jawline is apparently hormonal. If I go off birth control is flares up and fast. Even when I tried at 37, I got the awful rush of High school all over again. I got the Mirena and within 3 weeks it was completely gone. Now I realize you want a more natural resolution, but if all else fails, it might be something to think about.
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                        • #13
                          I've tried Accutane (twice) and Minocycline too. Soaps, natural soaps, cleanses, alcohol solutions. You name it.
                          At the end, they were useless, and it always came back with revenge.
                          Don't try to beat your skin into submission with drugs - your body will not give up.
                          The more you try to dry it out with chemicals, the more oil it will produce.
                          When you "clean" it you are stripping your skin's first defense.

                          What's helping me is:
                          For the skin-gut connection: Going primal really helped, as well as totally cutting out dairy and nightshades. Personally, I avoid eating lots of bananas as they block my belly, which gives me acne. Also, watch your Omega-6 intake.
                          Omelets give me acne, but boiled eggs don't. Maybe the frying oxidizes the O6? I honestly don't know.
                          I'm following GAPS diet which seem to work. Basically, primal with no dairy/nightshades + broth and fermented foods, to heal your guts and get some good bacteria in you.

                          Excess sugar: Fruits must be limited and should be eaten on empty stomach. When eaten in large quantities, fruits make me break out. Stay away from the high sugar content fruits and don't eat too many fruits together. Avoid insulin spikes!

                          Stay active: Move our body. Take breaks when you sit in front of the computer, walk around, move your body!

                          For the skin itself: I quit using soaps. Every soap, even the natural ones, dry your skin. You don't want that. Your body will adjust if you let it. I smell great and my hair looks great, even if I don't use soap or deodorant.
                          "But Gilleh, what about all that oil coming out of my pores?" -
                          The first time I tried going poo-less it was an oily mess.
                          Like I said, there is an adjustment period - you'll probably flare a bit while you're on it.
                          The second time I tried going poo-less, I was (and still am) drinking Dandelion tea (which Knifegill in this forum told me about)
                          The tea empowers your skin, shrinking your pores and the bottom line is - makes your skin produce less (far less!) oil.
                          You can get it in your garden or at the nature-shop. Eat the roots too.
                          Dandelion capsules didn't do the trick for me, go for the natural stuff.

                          Sun: The sun makes my skin glow and strong. I get a few hours of it every weekend.
                          Pay attention for the fact that when you're on Accutane/Minocycline, you should avoid the sun, hence you avoid the real cure.
                          If you're on one of them, 1. Stay off the sun! 2. Throw the capsules away.

                          Avoid hot water. I shower with cold water - few minutes when I wake up and before I sleep.
                          Just rinse myself and go over my body with my hands. Makes me feel great and clean.
                          When I use to take hot showers, my skin looked terrible - tired, sore and zitty.

                          Don't use bleach or any hard stuff to wash your floor. You inhale the fumes which kill the good bacteria inside you.

                          For supplements, I supplement with Zinc, Vitamin D, Probiotics and Omega 3.
                          I read that Acne made be triggered by iodine deficiency but I've yet to try eating seaweed.

                          Acne is a western disease - primal cultures don't get it (even with their lack of soaps! or maybe because of it?)
                          Think about Inuits or Africans.

                          Healing your skin takes time. It's not a short fight and there's no overnight solution,
                          but I do believe the body, being resilient, will heal itself when given the right nutrients and taking off all the toxins.
                          Speaking of which, I hope I don't need to tell you one of the hardest things to do - take your hands of your face!
                          The more you touch it, the more it produces more oil.
                          Getting a facial from time to time can be great, but please - keep your own hands off.


                          Chill with the booze. Beer, as much as I love it, gives me acne in high dosages.
                          When I drink red wine, my face gets all warm and red.
                          If you're still drinking tap water, don't. The fluoride is bad for your acne.

                          And that's what I know about acne.
                          Last edited by Gilleh; 06-16-2012, 07:00 AM.
                          Everything is bad for something - How do you feel today?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gilleh View Post
                            I've tried Accutane (twice) and Minocycline too. Soaps, natural soaps, cleanses, alcohol solutions. You name it.
                            At the end, they were useless, and it always came back with revenge.
                            Don't try to beat your skin into submission with drugs - your body will not give up.
                            The more you try to dry it out with chemicals, the more oil it will produce.
                            When you "clean" it you are stripping your skin's first defense.

                            What's helping me is:
                            For the skin-gut connection: Going primal really helped, as well as totally cutting out dairy and nightshades. Personally, I avoid eating lots of bananas as they block my belly, which gives me acne. Also, watch your Omega-6 intake.
                            Omelets give me acne, but boiled eggs don't. Maybe the frying oxidizes the O6? I honestly don't know.
                            I'm following GAPS diet which seem to work. Basically, primal with no dairy/nightshades + broth and fermented foods, to heal your guts and get some good bacteria in you.

                            For the skin itself: I quit using soaps. Every soap, even the natural ones, dry your skin. You don't want that. Your body will adjust if you let it. I smell great and my hair looks great, even if I don't use soap or deodorant.
                            "But Gilleh, what about all that oil coming out of my pores?" -
                            The first time I tried going poo-less it was an oily mess.
                            Like I said, there is an adjustment period - you'll probably flare a bit while you're on it.
                            The second time I tried going poo-less, I was (and still am) drinking Dandelion tea (which Knifegill in this forum told me about)
                            The tea empowers your skin, shrinking your pores and the bottom line is - makes your skin produce less (far less!) oil.
                            You can get it in your garden or at the nature-shop. Eat the roots too.
                            Dandelion capsules didn't do the trick for me, go for the natural stuff.

                            Sun: The sun makes my skin glow and strong. I get a few hours of it every weekend.
                            Pay attention for the fact that when you're on Accutane/Minocycline, you should avoid the sun, hence you avoid the real cure.
                            If you're on one of them, 1. Stay off the sun! 2. Throw the capsules away.

                            Avoid hot water. I shower with cold water - few minutes when I wake up and before I sleep.
                            Just rinse myself and go over my body with my hands. Makes me feel great and clean.
                            When I use to take hot showers, my skin looked terrible - tired, sore and zitty.

                            Don't use bleach or any hard stuff to wash your floor. You inhale the fumes which kill the good bacteria inside you.

                            For supplements, I supplement with Zinc, Vitamin D, Probiotics and Omega 3.
                            I read that Acne made be triggered by iodine deficiency but I've yet to try eating seaweed.

                            Acne is a western disease - primal cultures don't get it (even with their lack of soaps! or maybe because of it?)
                            Think about Inuits or Africans.

                            And that's what I know about acne.

                            Taking offense there Gilleh... it's posts like these that make people who need some medical intervention feel slut-shamed about doing so. Throwing the capsules away didn't work for me, and I think you should include the same level of caution that I do (and most others on this thread have) when saying what works for you, because it sure as hell didn't work for me. Also, when I was trying it, my life sucked because (a) it didn't change much, and (b) you really are having to restrict a hell of a lot of things. The best thing we can do is say "this is what worked for me" and not claim that "this is what I *know*" about anything.

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                            • #15
                              Banana,
                              It was never my intention to make anybody feel ashamed for taking ANY kind of treatment.
                              I don't think there's a need to write "that is what worked for me". It's kinda obvious:
                              I'll point to the fact that CW treatments, while making my Acne better for a while, only caused it to get back, angrier -
                              I even started my post with this experience.
                              Yes, I'm being restrictive - but it is better to rub chemicals on your body/skin, sleep with it, mess your sheets, worry if you washed your face good enough nothing's left on your face/rubbed the paste good enough so nobody can see it, chemicals pealing your skin makes it hurts, nosebleeds, migraines, sun makes you feel like you're dying, depression, alcohol burns you out, dry and wounded lips, dry eyes and the list goes on

                              Other than all over this (IF you need another reason), I do believe CW cures throw you off the way of true cure, true solution.
                              Last edited by Gilleh; 06-07-2012, 08:04 AM.
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