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  • #91
    Originally posted by quelsen View Post
    did some ankle stretches in the bath this morning. actually as much of a warrior pose as i could get in the water before an upward dog and then total submersion.
    Hey, Q-dog; what is your take on hunger and cold? I'm impressed how well you are keeping up on the CT! Did you get your ice machine working?

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    • #92
      CT made me feel like i need to eat less, which is why i have not chimed in on the subject.

      I think however that CT makes O3/O6 imbalanced people seek a balance. as the O6 is pulled into the cells that lowers available energy producers ( free fatty acids ) and so someone who has poor cell integrity and has not worked on that prior will crave food. those who lack body intuition to see that it is a specific thing will eat everything and some will gain weight..

      i was ketogenic for 6 months prior to my first CT. I drank salmon oil for 3 months to get my o3 wher eit belonged and i ate 50K of vitamin D to get that to the "normal" levels.


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      • #93
        Originally posted by quelsen View Post
        CT made me feel like i need to eat less, which is why i have not chimed in on the subject.
        This is a very difficult concept to discuss. Everyone's perception of cold and hunger is different. Kind of like asking, "What does it feel like when you get shocked". I learned a lot about hunger in my journey from 250lbs to 164lbs. So much of hunger is just conditioning. Same for cold. A few months back, I put my office down to 64 degrees. At first I was cold all day, but now it feels great. When people come in, they freak out that it's so cold. It cuts down on interruptions, for sure!

        All the studies show chronic cold exposure lower leptin, which should make you hungry. But other studies imply that cold receptors act on leptin receptors negating the effect of the low leptin levels. Just no studies out there to prove definitively what's going on.

        I can't wait until someone makes a pill that activates all the cold pathways--then we'll get some studies done! I'll still be in ice water while they all worry about going blind.

        Good luck, dude!

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        • #94
          I know with the kids, I have to drag them out to eat almost. They never want to get out because they are hungry. Now once they are out and are dry, they might be starving. And dead tired. Well at least later. They sleep like umm babies
          Last edited by gopintos; 06-07-2012, 12:39 PM.
          65lbs gone and counting!!

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          • #95
            Originally posted by quelsen View Post
            CT made me feel like i need to eat less, which is why i have not chimed in on the subject.

            I think however that CT makes O3/O6 imbalanced people seek a balance. as the O6 is pulled into the cells that lowers available energy producers ( free fatty acids ) and so someone who has poor cell integrity and has not worked on that prior will crave food. those who lack body intuition to see that it is a specific thing will eat everything and some will gain weight..

            i was ketogenic for 6 months prior to my first CT. I drank salmon oil for 3 months to get my o3 wher eit belonged and i ate 50K of vitamin D to get that to the "normal" levels.
            Could you explain the omega 3/6 situation with regards to CT? It was mentioned in passing on the previous thread, but I didn't understand the connection.

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            • #96
              omega 6 fatty acids are recruited to make the cell membrane more pliant in colder tempuratures. this has to come from somewhere... so it comes from your LDL first then your adipose tissues it happens quickly so you feel the lack as hunger. but only if you didnt have a good balance to begin with.

              all sorts of intersting things happen during cold adaptation. and most of us are malnourished even with primal
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              • #97
                Originally posted by otzi View Post
                Here's a really good article on the subject...foodconsumer.org - Muscle Soreness -- Is Cold Water Immersion An Effective Treatment?

                "After analyzing 17 trials involving over 360 people who either rested or immersed themselves in cold water after resistance training, cycling or running, researchers found the cold-water baths were much more effective in relieving sore muscles one to four days after exercise.

                They concluded:

                "There was some evidence that cold-water immersion reduces muscle soreness at 24, 48, 72 and even at 96 hours after exercise compared with 'passive' treatment."

                Just how cold does the water need to be? In this case, most of the studies involved a water temperature of 10-15 degrees C (50-59 degrees F), which participants stayed in for about 24 minutes. Some of the trials involved colder temperatures or "contrast immersion," which means alternating between cold and warm water (this did not show a significant benefit compared to rest).
                "
                Otzi, thanks for the info. I will try it again next time and see if it works better.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                  omega 6 fatty acids are recruited to make the cell membrane more pliant in colder tempuratures. this has to come from somewhere... so it comes from your LDL first then your adipose tissues it happens quickly so you feel the lack as hunger. but only if you didnt have a good balance to begin with.

                  all sorts of intersting things happen during cold adaptation. and most of us are malnourished even with primal
                  after a few weeks of baths, I started craving more fatty foods and fatty seafood especially as well as nuts and eating less lean beef.

                  It also made fasting easy.

                  yes, many interesting things happen.

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                  • #99
                    I have eaten way more eggs this week than I can remember. Also I started the week with about 10 dozen that need to be used up, and I was trying to keep carbs lower and do without my yogurt, so I have been turning to more eggs. I have been hungrier this week, but I think really though, my calories are more where they should be now. I think I was a bit too low most of the time. Will see here afterwhile, but I seem to lose weight more steadily when I keep my calories around 1500 - 1600. I am normally full on 1200 but I think I am seeing a pattern and do better with a little more.
                    Last edited by gopintos; 06-08-2012, 05:44 AM. Reason: ate/eaten whatever
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                    • How long should one try this?

                      I'm on my first week and was planning to do the spot-icing for two weeks, wait two weeks and then evaluate at the end of June.

                      I'm basing this experiment off of the Coolsculpting technique which says results come after some time has elapsed to give the body time to eliminate the fat cells.

                      Anyone have a more credible reason for the length of time to try or is it just ice until you start seeing results?

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                      • Originally posted by McChunky View Post
                        How long should one try this?

                        I'm on my first week and was planning to do the spot-icing for two weeks, wait two weeks and then evaluate at the end of June.

                        I'm basing this experiment off of the Coolsculpting technique which says results come after some time has elapsed to give the body time to eliminate the fat cells.

                        Anyone have a more credible reason for the length of time to try or is it just ice until you start seeing results?
                        You are on a solo journey, here. i'd recommend doing like what Mark said in his recent post on self-experimentation. I think what you are doing sounds reasonable, so take pictures, measurements, weight, etc... and keep it as controlled as possible. I'd love to hear your results in 6 weeks.

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                        • The last 2 times I've done CT and then post-CT strength training, I haven't had the same effects of increased strength. Obviously this is anecdotal, but I've also reduced my pre-CT MCT/coconut oil. I used to do at least 500 calories of MCT's (MCT Oil, coconut oil and butter), sometimes in coffee (which is obviously going to also give a boost with caffeine), CT'ed and then lifted (all within an hour). I think it's very possible that the effects were due to the fatty acid fueling and not the CT.

                          Plan on doing some fasted CT next.

                          I did find it funny that someone asked me to do a river swim and I was contemplating it. I asked about the temperature of the water and they said it was "fairly warm." I declined. A waste of my time

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                          • I know the temperature...it's the same as a baggie full of ice water. That'll be $1500 please.

                            Procedure to freeze fat cells helps woman avoid more surgery

                            From the article above: "The instrument clamps to the body and gets cold. It doesn't freeze but gets cold enough that it fatally damages fat cells just beneath the skin.

                            "It doesn't have to be very cold; the skin doesn't freeze or frostbite," Ridenour said. "Except for the tugging on the skin, it's painless."

                            He couldn't say what the effective temperature was. The manufacturer, Zeltiq Aesthetics Inc., won't reveal that information. "

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                            • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                              I know the temperature...it's the same as a baggie full of ice water. That'll be $1500 please.
                              ha. I didnt CT bath but I iced. I made some packets with my foodsaver. One longish in the narrow width, for my belly. The way I had to put it in the freezer, it had a natural curve to it so it worked great! I brought it out tonight and DH said, that is a bit overkill, isn't it? He just rolls his eyes at me. lol

                              And then I made two smaller packs I thought maybe for my thighs or something but I only used the belly one. For about an hour in one spot, about 15 or so minutes on another spot then I went to bed.
                              65lbs gone and counting!!

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                              • So, I think I possibly had a herxheimer reaction two nights ago - In the morning, i iced my belly and thighs, then I took that crazy cold ice bath with the 20lb bag of ice, plus my homemade ice. Later that night, some more ice packs. Only after the evening ice packs, it was like I couldn't warm up again - I started shivering really intensely (throughout the past 2 weeks I've rarely shivered, and when I did, it was brief). I felt like I was cold to the bone, but my husband said I felt hot to the touch. Terrible muscle pain in my back - it was so bad I had to take a muscle relaxer. It really felt like getting hit with the flu (I haven't been sick in so many years, I can't even remember how long it's been). Next morning, totally fine. Ice baths and spot icing with no problem. I wonder if that's all I'll get in terms of a detox crap phase.

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