Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Cold Water for Fat Loss, Muscle Recovery, and Increased Metabolism Thread

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    He's starting another because dissenting viewpoints and discussions of both the pros and cons were not allowed. Either be a cheerleader or a disciple or get off the thread.

    OK, I'm off.
    Wag More, Bark Less
    bumper sticker wisdom, author unknown

    :-)
    Optimum Health powered by Actualized Self-Knowledge.

    Predator not Prey
    Paleo Ketogenic Lifestyle

    CW 315 | SW 506
    Current Jeans 46 | Starting Jeans 66


    Contact me: quelsen@gmail.com

    Comment


    • #17
      Excellent thread!
      I’ve been keeping very careful notes regarding water temperature, time, and weight on a daily basis.

      Although at this point I don’t have much data to contribute, the results are already impressive: 24 days since I started taking cold water baths, 14.7 pounds lost.

      Comment


      • #18
        That is studly! I have not been consistent enough to use cold water therapy for fat loss, but I can definitely attest to the benefit in terms of recovery. I have a pond on our property and when it is frozen (late Nov-Feb) me and my training partners follow a tough workout with a cold water plunge. I have entered the water with a lot of pain and soreness and when I get out (run out screaming) I am a new man! I don't need any other research than that.

        Comment


        • #19
          My body composition has improved, PMS is reduced, migraines are reduced, mild cellulite is gone, sleep is better, my strength and muscle growth has never been as fast as now, Fasting has been so easy and natural, my cold tolerance outside has improved hugely, energy has increased. I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

          I started 2 months ago with a few face dunks and then skipped the ice fase and moved to 70 degrees baths, now i'm at 30 min at 55. I used to do it initially every day, now every other day.

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by gopintos View Post
            I read the other night, most of the BAT is between our shoulder blades, which I guess is why they are wearing vests, that and vest are easy to wear. My question is, does sitting in cold water (less than 80) w/o shoulder blades in, does it do the same thing? My pond is 78 in the shallows at the moment, but I just didnt feel like doing anything more than sitting in it while the kids played. Well I moved and stretched my legs, etc but I mean I didnt want to get anything else wet. I probably spent 45 minutes this afternoon, thinking I could skip my cold bath tonight in lieu of my pond time.
            From what I've read, any temperature below body temperature activates BAT to some degree, but it has to be lower than 50 for max impact. Kind of like doing barbell curls with no weight, a little weight, and a lot of weight.

            Want to make your head explode? Here is where the sensation of cold comes from: The transduction of temperature in cold receptors is mediated in part by the Transient Receptor Potential TRPM8 channel. This channel passes a mixed inward cationic (predominantly carried by Na+ ions although the channel is also permeable to Ca2+) current of a magnitude that is inversely proportional to temperature. The channel is sensitive over a temperature range spanning about 10-35C.

            Got it? The body senses cold over a range of 50 to 95 degrees. Once the temperature bottoms out in the cold receptors, which is about 10 deg C, or 50 deg F, BAT is fully activated and new BAT is formed. Above this temperature, 50-96 deg F, other things go on to keep you warm, goose bumps, vessles tighten, muscles tighten, etc...

            At temps between 50 and 90 (in water), you are still getting some benefits of being cold, ie. increased caloric burn, BAT activates, anti-inflammatory effects.
            Last edited by otzi; 06-05-2012, 01:02 PM.

            Comment


            • #21
              There went my heading... exploding. Could you repeat all that?
              65lbs gone and counting!!

              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by otzi View Post
                From what I've read, any temperature below body temperature activates BAT to some degree, but it has to be lower than 50 for max impact.

                Got it? The body senses cold over a range of 50 to 95 degrees. Once the temperature bottoms out in the cold receptors, which is about 10 deg C, or 50 deg F, BAT is fully activated and new BAT is formed.
                What happens below 50 deg F? Are we still activating BAT, or are we just killing the white fat? or both?

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                  There went my heading... exploding. Could you repeat all that?
                  OK. You played in the pond for an hour today. That is great! Play is great! You got a little chilly, that's great!

                  If your goal is to get your BAT active, you still want to take a soak in cold water today. If your goal is soothing sore muscles...you need another cold bath. If your goal is to destroy fat cells, you need some time with the ice pack.

                  If your goal is to just be healthy and primal--don't worry about it! You did good today! Everyone should have a pond to play in. Consider yourself lucky.

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    I see an icemaker in my future. I wonder how DH would feel about getting an icemaker for Father's day
                    65lbs gone and counting!!

                    Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by SMITHR View Post
                      What happens below 50 deg F? Are we still activating BAT, or are we just killing the white fat? or both?
                      At 50 degrees, you've done all you can do as far as the cold receptors are concerned. BAT will be burning at full speed, all of the non-shivering warm-up tools your body has will be firing.

                      Lower than that, the body needs to use it's other resources, namely vaso-constriction, shivering, and changing cell-membrane permeability. That last one is why Omega 3 to Omega 6 ratio is important.

                      At colder temperatures is where the anti-inflammatory effects are seen, pain relieving effects, fat cell death, and a slew of other metabolic processes such as destruction of the inflammatory cytokine array and long lasting effects on human growth hormone, thyroid hormones, IL-6 and leptin.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        OK PSA.

                        for the record.

                        NO ONE NEEDS TO TAKE A COLD BATH.

                        I am not your hero or better than you for having reached the ability to sit for hours in 32F water

                        if you are not fat it can help you increase muscle

                        if you are fat it can help you remove said fat and much much more

                        CT is not Primal, Primal is a brand owned by Mark Sission.
                        CT is helpful but dont go being stupid doing it.

                        you may now return to your regularly scheduled CT broadcast
                        Optimum Health powered by Actualized Self-Knowledge.

                        Predator not Prey
                        Paleo Ketogenic Lifestyle

                        CW 315 | SW 506
                        Current Jeans 46 | Starting Jeans 66


                        Contact me: quelsen@gmail.com

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                          I see an icemaker in my future. I wonder how DH would feel about getting an icemaker for Father's day
                          Better yet, get a Vasper System! Then invite me over to use it!
                          Vasper Systems, LLC. - Home

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            I'm ready to try this, but I can see where there is going to be a love/hate relationships. I checked onling and the average temp of cold tap water is around 54 degrees Farenheit. I'm only going to have time to do this during my morning shower, which typically lasts no more than 15 minutes (shaving included). Something tells me they will be quicker than that at 54 degrees.
                            "You have succeeded in life when all you really want is only what you really need." ~ Vernon Howard

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              For me the whole cold thermogenesis is a blast from the past, from the cheerful Soviet 1930ies when it was widely popular. In Russia it was always popular for men for centuries (but not recommended for women for the fear of womanly afflictions to the whole child-bearing systems).

                              Anyway, taking cold showers and adding a cold shower a couple of times when doing a steam room did an absolute zilch for me, as well as life-long of freezing to half death during long winters and year-round morning walks first in unbenevolent climate of Russia, then in the unbenevolent climate of Canada. This, and the observation of very fat 'walruses' or 'morj' who jump into the holes in the ice every winter in Russia makes me a skeptic in the whole cold immersion reduces fat thing.
                              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by otzi View Post
                                Better yet, get a Vasper System! Then invite me over to use it!
                                Vasper Systems, LLC. - Home
                                Now that's interesting.

                                Did I read that some feel it curbs appetite? I dont know why but the past 2 days, I could eat a bear. I have still kept my calories under 1600, so far. Today might go a little more but I am normally in the 1000 - 1200 range.

                                The baths and doing my tabata on the elliptical yesterday morning are the only things I have done different. I had meant to cut out greek yogurt and bananas and almonds, but today, I had some anyways, well minus the almonds. I also came off an intense past couple of weeks, lots of physical activity around my home & out of town family - a house full.

                                So I don't know what's up with that.

                                oops. 1658 yesterday
                                Last edited by gopintos; 06-05-2012, 02:02 PM.
                                65lbs gone and counting!!

                                Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X