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  • I've been taking my ice baths every other day...and on the days when I don't, I really miss them. It feels like I missed out on something important. I'm interested in seeing if this is because it's new for me, and hence exciting, or if this is the start of a beautiful friendship between me and the cold.

    Yesterday I was outside in a park in the early afternoon. It was chillier than the recent hot-as-hell days, very pleasant. When I was about to go, I caught a glimpse of my arms and saw goosebumps - what a shocker, I had no idea they were there! I wasn't feeling cold at all. Normally, I'd be freaking about the cold before goosebumps even had a chance to show their little heads. Very weird.

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    • I've just completed my 2nd week of 5x/week CT baths (35-40 mins @ 50-55F). The only hard part is the first "lay-back", i.e., the first time each bath that I lay my body back for submersion. After that, very peaceful. My Ipod playlists help a ton. I created 5 playlists, one for each day, each around 40 mins. I just close my eyes and wait for the playlist to be done.

      I'm down 6 lbs. in 2 weeks, and my sleep is awesome. And I find my hunger is obliterated. I can truly make it on 2 awesome Paleo meals daily, one including seafood.
      Truly Paleo since 1/1/2012 (Doing Leptin reset)
      Turned 50 on 3/8/2012 !!!
      5'2" Female
      11/27/2011: 162.8 lbs.
      7/15/12 : 148.6 lbs.
      Clean Paleo diet: Lots of CO, Meat, Seafood, and doing CT 5x/week, 40 mins @ 50-52 degrees F

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      • Originally posted by PrimalPam View Post
        I've just completed my 2nd week of 5x/week CT baths (35-40 mins @ 50-55F). The only hard part is the first "lay-back", i.e., the first time each bath that I lay my body back for submersion. After that, very peaceful. My Ipod playlists help a ton. I created 5 playlists, one for each day, each around 40 mins. I just close my eyes and wait for the playlist to be done.

        I'm down 6 lbs. in 2 weeks, and my sleep is awesome. And I find my hunger is obliterated. I can truly make it on 2 awesome Paleo meals daily, one including seafood.
        What are you using to hold the water?

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        • Originally posted by Jamous View Post
          What are you using to hold the water?
          A bathtub?

          If you mean to keep the water at 50-55F, I make large ice "blocks" in my freezer using plastic containers, which I haul to my tub. When I first get in, the water is around 57F. But within a few minutes, as the ice melts, the temp goes down, and by the time I'm out, it's 50-52F.
          Truly Paleo since 1/1/2012 (Doing Leptin reset)
          Turned 50 on 3/8/2012 !!!
          5'2" Female
          11/27/2011: 162.8 lbs.
          7/15/12 : 148.6 lbs.
          Clean Paleo diet: Lots of CO, Meat, Seafood, and doing CT 5x/week, 40 mins @ 50-52 degrees F

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          • Originally posted by PrimalPam View Post
            A bathtub?

            If you mean to keep the water at 50-55F, I make large ice "blocks" in my freezer using plastic containers, which I haul to my tub. When I first get in, the water is around 57F. But within a few minutes, as the ice melts, the temp goes down, and by the time I'm out, it's 50-52F.
            Thanks. That's great. You must have a good sized tub. Neither of us can fit into our one little bath tub so that we can lie down and we have never used it in the 15 years that we have lived in our little house. Most of my legs would be out and I couldn't get water over my chest. I'll have to remodel or build some kind of stock tank rig outside to get into cold water.

            I thought of recommending the ice and bath tub method to a relative this weekend at a family gathering but remembering our tiny tub and considering his crippled condition I recommended this cryotherapy facility near to him instead.
            Cryotherapy Treatment - U.S. Cryotherapy

            He can afford it, he might do it and maybe, if it helps him with his crippling back pain, he can be converted to a more wholesome lifestyle.

            The poor guy is half my age. He shouldn't be suffering like he does. Sometimes I feel guilty to be in the good condition that I am at my advanced age lifting weights and making a fool of myself playing with my grandchild and little nephews. Yet people often think that my diet and way of life are the foolish exccentricities of an old man If I speak about it to them.

            I, however, am sure that it is more than genetics or luck. I often wake up now with a warm glow on my back just before 4 am feeling good and ready for my cold predawn bath. I wish that I could share that in a more convincing way with people that I care about and who seem to need it more than I do.
            Last edited by Jamous; 06-25-2012, 08:54 PM.

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            • I read all your post shared online. It was very informative as well as interesting to read. I also gained some knowledge regarding the same topic. Thank you so much for sharing this information online.

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              • Originally posted by solly12 View Post
                I read all your post shared online. It was very informative as well as interesting to read. I also gained some knowledge regarding the same topic. Thank you so much for sharing this information online.
                You appear to be a new member on Mark's forum here. I'm curious about how you found this thread that I can't find without my bookmark.

                I'm not complaining about it though, this web site appears to be a brilliant success at marketing. I would be jealous if I had something to sell myself but so many topics are introduced by Mark that I can see no way to follow any of them for any length without a bookmark.

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                • Went out with my husband on Sunday to a place that was air conditioned to the max. He was wearing jeans and a long sleeved shirt and started complaining about how uncomfortably cold it was (should mention he's borderline hyperthyroid and always "running hot"). I, wearing a sleeveless sundress with no stockings, replied, "I didn't realize it was air conditioned, it's not that cold." Look down to see some goosebumps on my arms...TWILIGHT ZONE!!!

                  Been hanging out in my ice bath for over an hour now...still plenty of ice left, too. Guess it's time to get out, though I could stay in here all day!
                  Last edited by BestBetter; 06-26-2012, 02:00 PM.

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                  • I was visiting Denali National Park this weekend, on Saturday it was in the 80's everyone was complaining how hot it was. On Sunday in was in the 50's and everyone was bundling up in winter gear. I was fine the whole time. I think most people have a very narrow comfort band of like 68-75 degrees, outside of this they are uncomfortable. My comfort band seems to be about 50-90.

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                    • I have been doing cold showers (55 degrees) every day for the past few months, and while I can't see a huge difference in fat loss, my ability to stand higher temperatures has certainly changed. I took a bicycle ride the other day in about 95 degree heat, and did not really break a sweat until I stopped riding. I was going at a good pace 12mph and rode for 5 miles. Also notice when others around me are hot, I am fine and I used to be the one who was also hot and sweating like a pig. It's amazing the difference. The interesting thing is that once I went primal, I naturally started lowering the temp of my showers to luke warm to almost cold, before I heard of Jack Kruse or CT.
                      SW on 10/1/11: 380lbs.
                      CW 12/13/12: 315lbs. (Was under 300#, added some muscle :-) )
                      GW: 10% B.F. 250lbs. - 275lbs. (6' 4" tall)

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                      • Originally posted by Motorhead View Post
                        my ability to stand higher temperatures has certainly changed.
                        I think I have been noticing that as well. Tomorrow's temp will be a good test.... ugh.

                        I just couldnt do my bath tonight. I did it last night for 45 minutes but I just couldnt do more than a few minutes tonight. I dont know what the deal was. All I could think about was how I would really love (wanted/missed) a hot bath, and I sure hope there is something to the CT that I have done.

                        Now, give me an ice pack and I can keep it on for hours. I didnt refreeze it after the last time though, so I need to get it in the freezer for tomorrow night. I just don't mind the ice packs at all.
                        65lbs gone and counting!!

                        Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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                        • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                          My comfort band seems to be about 50-90.
                          Heat has never been an issue for me, and now I can do 60 indefinately, but when the pool water is in the 50's, I can do a good half hour without issues, but there is a definate difference when I get out and if I don't do a little bit of activity to warm up the core the cold feeling sets in for a couple of hours.

                          Originally posted by Jamous View Post
                          I often wake up now with a warm glow on my back just before 4 am feeling good and ready for my cold predawn bath.
                          I'm jealous of both statements, that's where I would like to be and gradually working toward that goal, my aim is to get to the point where I can stand around at the 50F mark virtually naked and not feel any significant discomfort. Not sure at this stage if it is just a low metabolic rate in general or if I still need to build up my BAT reserves, I can stand around at the 50F mark for 30 -60 min but at some point the shivers start to take hold and when that happens I know it will take a while to get the core comfortable again, and until that happens hands & feet are deprived of blood flow, so not pleasant to say the least.
                          I try to spend most of my waking hours underclothed to encourage adaptation, but have the occassional slack day when I put socks on & cover up a bit.
                          "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                          • So whats the protocol when you spot ice too long and you do end up with some white hard skin?

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                            • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                              So whats the protocol when you spot ice too long and you do end up with some white hard skin?
                              Stop icing and moisturise with coconut oil comes to mind.
                              I don't do ice, just cold, I think there is a danger in using ice, as in frost bite, because at some point you don't feel anything and that's when you start to do damage.
                              "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                              • Originally posted by Omni View Post
                                Heat has never been an issue for me, and now I can do 60 indefinately, but when the pool water is in the 50's, I can do a good half hour without issues, but there is a definate difference when I get out and if I don't do a little bit of activity to warm up the core the cold feeling sets in for a couple of hours.


                                I'm jealous of both statements, that's where I would like to be and gradually working toward that goal, my aim is to get to the point where I can stand around at the 50F mark virtually naked and not feel any significant discomfort. Not sure at this stage if it is just a low metabolic rate in general or if I still need to build up my BAT reserves, I can stand around at the 50F mark for 30 -60 min but at some point the shivers start to take hold and when that happens I know it will take a while to get the core comfortable again, and until that happens hands & feet are deprived of blood flow, so not pleasant to say the least.
                                I try to spend most of my waking hours underclothed to encourage adaptation, but have the occassional slack day when I put socks on & cover up a bit.
                                I have only noted the positive *trend* that keeps me going to see where it will all lead. There are plenty of mornings when getting up before the sun and/or getting into a cold air stream is the *last* thing that I want to do and I just sleep in. Also, any 45 minute period spent in 50 degree wind has all of my epidermis and my arms an legs so deeply chilled that it is at least an hour and a quarter before my blood stops being chilled by all of that cold meat during the "after drop." I try to avoid any deliberate warm up exercise and just involve myself in my "normal" business letting my systems find their natural path to warm up and hoping for additional adaptation such as I have already seen.

                                I sometimes do additional long term indoor sessions in warmer wind while reading or working but when I am not doing an actual deliberate cold exposure session I don't try to stay cold. I treat cold exposure very much like exercise sessions with complete 'rest' between sessions.

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