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  • Originally posted by Style View Post
    Why?
    Because I so hate being in cold water I don't like to think it works.

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    • Despite my dislike of cold water I did it again last night after karate. I'm usually stiff and sore and need some paracetamol in order to reduce the pain enough to sleep but last night even though my cold bath was brief and still too shallow to cover my legs I didn't need the paracetamol and managed to sleep well without pain. There is no way yet that I can stay in the bath on a cold winter's night for longer than a few minutes, but I am working on the theory that some cold is better than none.

      I put on 100g since yesterday.

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      • Originally posted by yogashmoga View Post
        jamous- thank you for the suggestion...i will definitely try cold air.
        I use two 20 inch fans about a foot away from my feet pointed up at me in front and back which delivers the 15 mph air stream to every square inch of epidermis except for the top of my head. The coldest morning so far was 47 degrees F which made my hands go numb so I hid them from the air stream on my head. At temperatures in the low 50's my body mounts a very strong vascular defense in my arms and legs so that there is a long and strong after drop beginning a few minutes after I get out of the air stream. Sixty degrees and above does not produce much of an after drop but lots of heat is removed from the body which limits how long I can stay in the stream. I use earplugs, orange goggles and chapstick as I bathe in the air stream naked to the wind while the dawn breaks. If I didn't have a little private wind tunnel made out of insulation siding I might cause the neighbor dogs to go blind.

        Good luck with your chilling experiments. I found an air stream to be fully usable from the start. The air can be quite cold but there is no sudden chill to overcome like there is with water. It is relentless, however, and never gets any warmer whether you move or not.

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        • I have been experimenting with some cold showers lately after I read the book, The Flinch. While I don't feel fully used to taking a cold shower, I have noticed that my skin and hair feel better. My abdomen also looks very tensed and lean while showering if that makes any sense.

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          • Originally posted by Eric5105 View Post
            I have been experimenting with some cold showers lately after I read the book, The Flinch.
            That's interesting. The book's concept sounds worthy but I came to view cold exposure as the finest personal discipline that I have ever undertaken only *after* having tried it for "fearful and conservative" health reasons. Wim Hof also said something similar about not finding any meditation practice satisfying until he found the cold. That statment struck a deep chord with me. I do Wim's and the Senobi breathing exercises while in the cold stream. I also practice postures and contemplate the source of every impulse or desire. I am usually surprised when the time is up. Standing tall and "embracing the flinch" has brought me some interesting emotional insights.
            Last edited by Jamous; 06-15-2012, 02:21 PM.

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            • A focus upon focus
              without it's hocus pocus
              the river of shiver
              that knows no giver
              watches calmly the rivers run.
              Look out! Here's another one!

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              • Originally posted by Jamous View Post
                A focus upon focus
                without it's hocus pocus
                I really feel that we are giving 'cold' a name it won't live up to. When I see people asking, "How long and in what temp to lose X amount of fat?" I think that the focus is gone. I incorporated cold into my life they way some may use yoga, multivitamins, or paleo eating. Cold is something you need to embrace, not fear, and not expect miracles.

                When you have fully accepted the cold, BAT, fat loss, and health will follow.

                The science is there--cold receptors in the skin, uncoupling proteins, vasoconstriction, etc...--but in the end you just need to do it. Experience cold on a regular basis, seasonally if possible, and reap the benefits without expecting too much too fast.

                How cold? Cold enough to make goosebumps or shivers. How long? As long as you can take it. When will I see benefits? Whenever your body is ready to show you!

                I'm really stoked to see so many people talking rationally about cold thermogenesis. Can't wait for Winter!

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                • Originally posted by otzi View Post
                  I really feel that we are giving 'cold' a name it won't live up to. When I see people asking, "How long and in what temp to lose X amount of fat?" I think that the focus is gone. I incorporated cold into my life they way some may use yoga, multivitamins, or paleo eating. Cold is something you need to embrace, not fear, and not expect miracles.

                  When you have fully accepted the cold, BAT, fat loss, and health will follow.

                  The science is there--cold receptors in the skin, uncoupling proteins, vasoconstriction, etc...--but in the end you just need to do it. Experience cold on a regular basis, seasonally if possible, and reap the benefits without expecting too much too fast.

                  How cold? Cold enough to make goosebumps or shivers. How long? As long as you can take it. When will I see benefits? Whenever your body is ready to show you!

                  I'm really stoked to see so many people talking rationally about cold thermogenesis. Can't wait for Winter!
                  Winter IS coming
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                  • Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                    Winter IS coming
                    Young self-caring Paleo-eater from France.
                    (So please forgive the strange way I tend to express myself in your beautiful language )

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                    • I've been taking a daily dip in the ocean pool, about 16C for around 30min, just a little light swimming and generally just floating around, it's very fresh when i get in, then I acclimatise quickly and it's fine. When I get out, I have a cold shower to wash of salt and within about 5 min is when I start to really get cold and do the semi-shiver, it subsides gradually, but is usually a good hour before I feel completely comfortable again. I imagine this is because the skin cappilaries open up again when out of the water and leach heat from body core, is this similar for others?
                      Yesterday when I dried off, I just did some light exercise, push ups, squats, limbering exercises and this helped quite a bit, took the edge off the shiver bit.
                      Another thing yesterday when I got out and went to pick up my things, just had a little moment of light headedness, first time I have noticed this, that's not a good sign I imagine?
                      "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                      • Have any of you seen the series "Mountain Men" on Discovery Channel? The guy from Alaska is my neighbor, Marty. He has a typical Alaskan view of the cold...it sucks. He says in the show after coming in off the trapline, "Being warm is the best thing in the world". In another scene, he is pouring fake maple syrup all over a pile on pancakes and says, "I don't eat pancakes every day, some days I have flapjacks, or hot cakes, or johnny cakes, or whatever else I can think to call them".

                        He is a tough dude, but just think if he cleaned up his diet and learned to embrace the cold rather than fear it. I've done just that and have lots of people ask me what I'm doing.

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                        • Originally posted by Omni View Post
                          Yesterday when I dried off, I just did some light exercise, push ups, squats, limbering exercises and this helped quite a bit, took the edge off the shiver bit.
                          Another thing yesterday when I got out and went to pick up my things, just had a little moment of light headedness, first time I have noticed this, that's not a good sign I imagine?
                          I exercise before cold treatments, never after. I could be wrong, but it seems to me you burn more calories that way. I still get the calories burned from exercise and Exercise-Associated Thermogenesis (EAT), but then during and after a cold treatment my body burns calories via cold thermogenesis (CT). I'm getting calories burned from exercise, EAT, and CT. You're getting calories burned from exercise, EAT, but are missing out on at least some of the CT calories. Maybe it doesn't work that way, but that is my logic.

                          I always force myself to take the hardest rode possible to warm up, not drying off after my cold bathes allowing myself to air dry, and then sitting around the house in my boxers, intentionally sitting under an AC vent. I don't put on more clothes or move away from the vent until my body has done all the work to warm me up on its own. That is just what I do. Do what ever works for you.

                          I also get some lightheadedness. It was much stronger and more frequent when I started a couple months ago, but that passed after a week or two. Now I still get some lightheadedness occasionally, but it's not often and it's not strong.

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                          • Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                            Winter IS coming
                            In just a week, the days will be getting shorter!
                            Learning the intricacies of healthy eating and nourishing my body the right way.
                            I am not bald, that is a Vitamin D collector. Time to Grok and Roll!
                            Eased into a primal diet starting at Christmas 2011. Goal weight - 205 started: 240 pounds waist 40, now 227 pounds and waist 38 Summer 2012 - weight =215 and waist is actually still 39"
                            ljbprrfmof = LJ = Little John = John

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                            • I'm only in my 2nd week, but am doing 5 x/week @ 50-55 degrees for 35 mins. I actually rather enjoy it and find it meditative to stay in the cold bath with all but my head, feet, and hands submerged. I've put together several 35-minute playlists, so I just lay there till the music is done.

                              I actually lost 5 lbs. last week. Not sure if it was due to the cold, but I found myself not nearly as hungry. I was able to eat just 2 meals a day: BAB (2-3 eggs, 4 pieces bacon, 3 sausage) and an early dinner of seafood and veggies. I was completely satisfied. So, not sure if it's just from the calorie reduction, or if the reduction was brought on by the cold...but I'm happy.

                              I'm going to continue with 5 x/week until I feel I'm cold-adapted. Currently, while I don't shiver a ton, I do feel extremely cold when I get out. Trying to work up to not warming up immediately: after towel-drying, just walking around the house, doing normal chores. I had been warming up under a blanket, but I think the longer I stay cold, the better.

                              I plan on adding back in my exercise, and I will do it prior to the CT baths.
                              Truly Paleo since 1/1/2012 (Doing Leptin reset)
                              Turned 50 on 3/8/2012 !!!
                              5'2" Female
                              11/27/2011: 162.8 lbs.
                              7/15/12 : 148.6 lbs.
                              Clean Paleo diet: Lots of CO, Meat, Seafood, and doing CT 5x/week, 40 mins @ 50-52 degrees F

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                              • I've been doing ice baths almost every day, and what I find interesting is that I'm dealing with the recent heat wave week significantly better than my husband. We'll be sitting on the couch next to each other, he's sweating like a pig (yes, I know they don't sweat) and complaining about how unbearably hot it is, and all I can say is, "it's really not that hot." I've been able to get him to sit with an ice pack on his neck and back in the past couple of days, which is cooling him down...maybe one day I'll get him to take the full plunge

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