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  • #16
    I gained all my weight while on SSRIs... I'm definitely insulin resistant, and I'm pre-diabetic.
    Doxycycline
    Metformin
    OK here is a lot of information. a shit ton for those who have done their research.



    insulin resistant.
    systemic infection
    brain glucose intolerance ( possibly caused by medication, more likely always there )

    here is what i would expect you to see in lab work

    low HDL
    high LDL
    depressed thyroid action overall
    high estrogen
    low testosterone
    ridiculous high fasting insulin ( NOT blood glucose )
    chronically low cortisol, or skewed results as in high when shoudl be low and vice versa
    many food intolerance

    If you want drugs go for them.
    If you trust your doctor listen to her.

    however I suggest a different track.

    step 1. rid your body of infection.
    step 2. introduce a pure ketogenic diet
    step 3. balance your hormones

    how would i do this?

    step 1. use Coconut oil and oil of oregano to kill the yeast that are causing the infection.
    find a leaky gut protocol you can live with and seal up those holes in you belly
    step 2. start with a hypoalergenic ketogenic diet (organic lamb) then move to a balance of seafood and grass fed beef. after you reach adaptation include certain carbs sparingly and NO fruit ever.
    step 3. either pay someone a pretty penny to give you drugs OR look into the benefits cold water produces on hormone expression

    what i would expect to happen

    step 1. after 6 weeks i woudl expect that my need for doxycycline woudl go away, i woudl also expect a host of other random annoyances to dissapear.
    step 2. fasting insulin drops below 10 and cholesterol normalizes. hunger dissapates and caloric need reduces. strenght improves and body begins to rebuild, hair, nails, skin, etc. body waste reduces and becomes less foul.
    step 3. ( assumes the rational choice of cold water versus the money sucking choice of BHRT) Sleep improves, quality of life improves, sex drive changes ( probably more cyclical and stronger) body composition changes. hips and breast round out rolls begin to go away.

    my 0.02$
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    • #17
      Originally posted by emmie View Post
      You mention being 'more relaxed' about carbs on weekends when you're 'socializing.' If you're regularly eating at a carb level that depletes your glycogen stores (as you suggest you are), then those 'relaxed' weekends will result in a return of that glycogen, along with the water necessary for its storage. That can show on the scale as 5-6 lbs, depending on your body weight. Thus, it can 'seem' as though you're not losing because you keep gaining that water weight each weekend, and it takes about 4 days of your low-carbing to lose it--a perpetual cycle. This process also keeps your body from a regular fat-burning mode, which is the benefit of low-carb eating in terms of weight loss. In other words, your 'relaxed weekends' are impeding loss.

      Also, if you're serious about weight loss, I'd lose the nuts (much too caloric and easy to overeat) and try to eliminate snacking in general. If you have a binge-eating history, please don't fast because, as I'm sure you know, research indicates that excessive restriction leads to binges in those so inclined. Instead, try to maintain a more moderate way of eating, gradually reducing portions as necessary.

      Good luck.
      THIS x a gazillion. For me personally, I always ate farely healthy through out the week and would be waaaaay more relaxed with my carbs friday evening and all of saturday and it was just a vicious circle and I could not understand why i was not losing but maintaning, now I have lost much quicker when I don't see my weekends as a reason to go significantly over my 150g carb limit.

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      • #18
        I see all these lengthy replies but the answer to your question is simple:

        you're not losing weight because the calories you are consuming are equal to or exceeding the amount you burn.

        This thread, as are many others similar to it, is chalked full of overly complicated responses that don't even address this fundamental fact in a specific way. If you wish to improve your body composition by losing body fat, you need to establish a daily calorie deficit which you body compensates with by using it's own fat stores.

        You say you don't want to agonize over food by counting calories... but I've really learned something through my own experiences: counting calories can be a bit annoying, but it's really not so hard with tools like fitday and cronometer, and you save the agony of uncertainty that comes with not counting.

        Should I eat this, that? Not this, not that? I dunno, I dunno... I see this over and over again on this forum when people complain about not losing that last bit of fat, yet they never have a specific plan on how to do it in the first place. Why not just count, set a daily deficit goal, and not think about it for the rest of the day? People say they don't want to "agonize" over counting calories.... when in reality it takes maybe one minute to program food into fit day, then they sit on these forums and bang their heads on their desk scruitinizing the advanced details while completely ignoring the fundamentals. Heck, try and count 80% of the time...that will be better than nothing.

        You should track your progress over a month or two and snap some pics of yourself in front of the mirror. If you don't see noticeable progress in fat loss, then you know you need to tweak things and retry - if you're not counting you'll never know what the problem is in the first place.
        Last edited by primal pete; 06-05-2012, 12:12 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by primal pete View Post
          i see all these lengthy replies but the answer to your question is simple:

          You're not losing weight because your body doesnt burn calories properly so it wont ever matter what you eat or dont eat
          ftfy
          Last edited by quelsen; 06-05-2012, 12:36 PM.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by quelsen View Post
            fyfy
            your response doesn't even make sense - are you trying to refute my post? If so, you're not even making a coherent counter-point. What does "burning calories properly" even mean? You can't say that, for weight loss, it won't matter what she does or doesn't eat, that is simply ridiculous.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by primal pete View Post
              I see all these lengthy replies but the answer to your question is simple:

              You're not losing weight because the calories you are consuming are equal to or exceeding the amount you burn.

              This thread, as are many others similar to it, is chalked full of overly complicated responses that don't even address this fundamental fact in a specific way. If you wish to improve your body composition by losing body fat, you need to establish a daily calorie deficit which you body compensates with by using it's own fat stores.
              This. End thread.
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              • #22
                CICO has HUGE assumptions that do not hold as valid under certain conditions of disorder.

                Thyroid regulates glucose control at the cellular level. CICO assumes this mechanism can never disrupted.

                Insulin regulates glucose storage again at a cellular level, CICO assumes that we have an ability to sump an infinite amount of glucose into our metabolic engine, even Mark recognizes that is bullshit, necessitating his limit on carbs based on the upper limit for the human organism

                when a person reaches a certain level of obesity ( i use 30 pounds over as a general rule of thumb) the equations change. in simple terms the fatter you are the less diet has an impact on your ability to reduce. the system begins to feed on itself and it takes serious intervention and exercise ISNT that intervention.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                  when a person reaches a certain level of obesity ( i use 30 pounds over as a general rule of thumb) the equations change. in simple terms the fatter you are the less diet has an impact on your ability to reduce. the system begins to feed on itself and it takes serious intervention and exercise ISNT that intervention.
                  Yes, as "The Biggest Loser" shows time and time again...oh wait.
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                  • #24
                    Don't worry, PP. For 99% of people quelsen's prescription is completely un-doable at best.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by StackingPlates View Post
                      Yes, as "The Biggest Loser" shows time and time again...oh wait.
                      uhm... i guess you dont keep up

                      game shows are not reality and this one is the worst
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Leida View Post
                        Don't worry, PP. For 92% of people quelsen's prescription is completely un-needed ....
                        Yup i completely agree.

                        Most people can shut their cakehole and do well.

                        some cant
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                          uhm... i guess you dont keep up

                          game shows are not reality and this one is the worst
                          You just said that when someone becomes 30 pounds overweight then diet and exercise "isn't that intervention". Ironically enough, severe caloric deficits + extreme exercise = high levels of weight loss. This would indicate to me that your theory is inaccurate, no?
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                          • #28
                            You just said that when someone becomes 30 pounds overweight then diet and exercise "isn't that intervention". Ironically enough, severe caloric deficits + extreme exercise = high levels of weight loss.
                            It works great for a while.... then your metabolism goes kaput, you get an injury from exercise and you've basically starved all the nutrients out of your system so you go back to eating like crap.

                            I been there/done that.... not sure what more exercise I could have done- Insanity plus a 3-5 mile run plus riding my horse plus eating around 1200-1400 calories a day and did not see any difference in my size or weight. Now I do very little exercise and skip wheat and grains, eat around the same calorie level and the weight is slowly coming off. For certain my CICO is at a much smaller deficit these days.

                            Most of us are probably somewhere between CICO working like a charm and Quelson's routine.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                              It works great for a while.... then your metabolism goes kaput, you get an injury from exercise and you've basically starved all the nutrients out of your system so you go back to eating like crap.
                              No, not exactly, however your BMRs will adjust in relation with your new weight so if you don't adjust your intake then you will regain and/or plateau. Many folks don't realize this fact which contributes to weight gain when exercise stops and diet isn't properly adjusted..
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by StackingPlates View Post
                                You just said that when someone becomes 30 pounds overweight then diet and exercise "isn't that intervention". Ironically enough, severe caloric deficits + extreme exercise = high levels of weight loss. This would indicate to me that your theory is inaccurate, no?
                                what i did not say was that exercise should be avoided or ignored. i did say and stand by the statement that for some diet and exercise alone will NEVER fix the problem as they are not the reason for the problem in the first place.

                                SSRI's are dangerous shit, they can totally shut down the brains ability to account for calories. that starts a cascade that MAY not be able to be recovered.

                                if your car is misfiring change the sparkplugs. if it just isnt running at all check the tank for gas, you may be out. OR your battery might be dead OR your engine might be frozen solid.

                                if you think the human engine is more simplistic than a car engine then i hope for your sake nothing ever breaks
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