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    I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on coffee. I thought it strange that many Primal people avoid other beans but still have coffee, which is a toxic bean, right? And must undoubtedly produces a stress response in most people. What's your approach?

    Have you cut down?

    Did you naturally need it less due to eating less junk?

    Do you simply make sure to get a quality source, low on toxins?

    Have you quit completely? Did you go cold turkey, cut down gradually, or use a more primal-friendly alternative?


    My personal story with caffeine is a love-hate relationship. I'm addicted to diet cola, which obviously has to go because of the evil chemicals, and although I like the taste of coffee I find it a bit overstimulating. I can't drink tea either as it has sulphites, which I'm allergic to. I've been trying out some herbal teas, such as gota kola (similar to ginseng), and peppermint tea. I've tried unsuccessfully to quit caffeine before and ended up sleeping a lot and feeling depressed. I don't want to end up depressed but I can't help wondering that beyond the withdrawal stage there might be a different, naturally energetic version me that was there all the time, but was being hidden by the drug effect?

    I also eat dark chocolate, which has caffeine, but I'm feeling so crap lately that I could gladly take it or leave it if it meant I would feel better!

    This seems to be an emotive issue. I've read some evidence for and against drinking coffee as part of a primal/paleo lifestyle, but it seems that many people find it hard to judge it objectively, since they are hopelessly addicted!
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  • #2
    Coffee has basically become only an occasional treat for me. I've discovered that as much as I love how it tastes, it does tend to gave a bit of an effect on me that isn't always pleasant.

    On the other hand, I'm still drinking copious amounts of both Yerba Mate (which given your reaction to coffee and your tea allergies you might want to give a try) and tea and have not had the same negative effects from either, so I'll keep drinking up for now. Cheers!
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    • #3
      I drink coffee daily or almost, but I stick to high quality beans/coffee. I don't drink any other caffeinated drinks. I generally have a max of 2 cups per day (not every day) and have it with some sort of cream. I don't get the energy jolt others talk about, but I really enjoy the taste. If I start to get a bad reaction, coffee will be eliminated. (I really hope that I don't though, cause it's super yummy!)

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      • #4
        Coffee is occasional for me, but mostly because of my Tourette's Syndrome. Less caffeine/insulin spikes keep my motor ticks down.

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        • #5
          Well, i am addicted for sure. I am noticing that i feel the slight negative effects of caffeine a little more acutely since going primal. I look at coffee as a relatively harmless indulgence. . . I'd need to experience more negative from it, or some evidence that it is on balance bad for you, before quitting.

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          • #6
            Coffee isn't a bean like a soy bean or a pinto bean. Just because our language uses words like "beans" or "nuts" doesn't mean everything actually is a bean or a nut.
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            • #7
              I've never been a routine coffee-drinker - I have cup maybe once a week, sometimes once a month. I never notice any affects from caffeine (but then, I am kind of a weirdo when it comes to drugs, since they seem to not affect me the way they do other people). When I drink coffee, I stick to high quality organic fair trade stuff.

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              • #8
                I have not been able to give up caffeine yet, thought i have tried to.

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                • #9
                  I enjoy my morning cup of coffee. Either black, no sugar, or sweetened with a dollop of coconut milk. Very yummy.
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                  • #10
                    Without caffeine, I can't manage to have thoughts.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SeanM View Post
                      Without caffeine, I can't manage to have thoughts.
                      Questions about the coconut milk. Does it make it sweet or just creamy?

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                      • #12
                        I like caffeine, think it's healthy. Read this:
                        Caffeine: A vitamin-like nutrient, or adaptogen. Questions about tea and coffee, cancer and other degenerative diseases, and the hormones.

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                        • #13
                          I make a big cup every morning and drink it black and sip it through out the day, usually lasts until lunch time. On my days off I love warm cup in the morning. I enjoy the effects of caffeine, when I feel jittery I just stop. Maybe try half cafe? or decaf, but I see nothing wrong with it unless you drink more than 24oz. a day, but as always, listen to your body.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CaveWeirdo View Post
                            I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on coffee. I thought it strange that many Primal people avoid other beans but still have coffee, which is a toxic bean, right? And must undoubtedly produces a stress response in most people. What's your approach?

                            Have you cut down?

                            Did you naturally need it less due to eating less junk?

                            Do you simply make sure to get a quality source, low on toxins?

                            Have you quit completely? Did you go cold turkey, cut down gradually, or use a more primal-friendly alternative?


                            My personal story with caffeine is a love-hate relationship. I'm addicted to diet cola, which obviously has to go because of the evil chemicals, and although I like the taste of coffee I find it a bit overstimulating. I can't drink tea either as it has sulphites, which I'm allergic to. I've been trying out some herbal teas, such as gota kola (similar to ginseng), and peppermint tea. I've tried unsuccessfully to quit caffeine before and ended up sleeping a lot and feeling depressed. I don't want to end up depressed but I can't help wondering that beyond the withdrawal stage there might be a different, naturally energetic version me that was there all the time, but was being hidden by the drug effect?

                            I also eat dark chocolate, which has caffeine, but I'm feeling so crap lately that I could gladly take it or leave it if it meant I would feel better!

                            This seems to be an emotive issue. I've read some evidence for and against drinking coffee as part of a primal/paleo lifestyle, but it seems that many people find it hard to judge it objectively, since they are hopelessly addicted!
                            Bingo. I find personally, that since going 80 percent primal, I wake up really energenized these days. I still drink coffee, mostly out of habit, a cup a day, but before I went primal i was HUGELY dependent on it, to wake me up before I have to drive to the firm. I could not even think without my first caffeine jolt, now if I run out of coffee at home, I don't go into panic mode as I would have previously. So from my experience, going primal has made me less dependent on coffee as I do not need it to "wake up" anymore....

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                            • #15
                              The way I look at it, caffeine is a drug. If you are addicted to it, you should get unaddicted. I was addicted for many years. I drink it now occasionally for a purpose (long drives usually).

                              Here's the best way to kick caffeine with minimal side effects.

                              1) Either switch to instant or brew two pots a day. One regular, one decaf.
                              2) Start diluting your caffeinated coffee with decaf. How much and how gradually is up to you, but keep diluting it until you are eventually drinking all decaf.
                              3) If you want to go a step further because decaf actually has a lot of caffeine, go through the same process only dilute the decaf slowly with Teccino, a chicory based coffee look a like they sell at Whole Foods.
                              4) If you are a real addict, at that point it's best to stay with Teccino permanently or switch to herbal tea. For most addicts "just a little bit" just lead back to addiction.

                              Once the caffeine is out of your system you won't want it anymore, so it's not as hard as it sounds. Like all drugs, YOU don't really want caffeine, it's the caffeine in your body that wants more of itself. Once it's gone, so is the problem. All these people who think they like the taste of coffee so much are kidding themselves. The caffeine is in control of their bodies and taste buds.

                              Sugar addiction is very similar. That's why I recommend Stevia. I don't even mind if they use a weird substitute like sucralose short term. It's like methadone treatment for heroin addicts.
                              Last edited by dbalch; 06-04-2012, 08:03 AM.

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