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  • #31
    I did quit caffeine for a few weeks, probably not long enough to get back to normal. If I switch to green tea, I'm drinking 12 bags a day.

    Making my own Kombucha is saving me 416 dollars a year, minus the cost of green tea and sugar to feed the culture. Easiest way to quit soda, if you can't cold turkey it.

    As for coffee, being an aspie/neanderthal/ADD person, I really believe Mark's version of optimum substance intake is correct for me. Moderate to high protein with organ meats, animal fats galore, fish, wild greens/good veggies/fruit/berries, nuts and coffee. Heck, sometimes I wonder if this way of eating really does suit some people genetically better than others, because some people are on here whining and moping while others, myself included, are freaking thriving. I mean, I just drank a bowl of tallow, bone broth, spices and herbs after I ate the veggies I cooked in it. It was AWESOME. Yesterday? Pound of liver + wild stinging nettle and more! What is left to crave when my body is PACKED with everything good?! No, it's not fru-fru. But it's whole. And coffee is a huge part of that.

    Just found this. Looks interesting.
    How neanderthal are you? And what is your ideal diet like? - PaleoHacks.com
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #32
      coffee is not a legume. It's just called a bean because of it's resemblance to true beans
      Coffee bean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      I drink coffee because I like the taste. The caffeine probably does have something to do with it, but I recently missed having my morning coffee and didn't go into withdrawal. I also like tea, but can't drink it on an empty stomach. It makes me nauseous. I drink 2 to 3 cups a day.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by CaveWeirdo View Post
        Well done for beating your addictions Dado!

        Did you also defeat caffeine? If so, can you tell me how you did it?
        You just do it.

        You tell yourself that it will hurt, and you go through the pain.

        It's really not more difficult than this.

        Do you understand this? Do you really understand it?

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        • #34
          I convert heroic quantities of coffee and pure, seething rage into artwork. So... I tend to like caffeine.
          Peak weight on Standard American Diet: 316.8 lbs
          Initial Weight When Starting Primal: 275 lbs
          Current weight: 210.8 lbs
          Goal weight: 220 lbs (or less): MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

          The way "ChooseMyPlate.gov" should have looked:
          ChooseMyPlate

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          • #35
            Originally posted by The Return of Dado View Post
            You just do it.

            You tell yourself that it will hurt, and you go through the pain.

            It's really not more difficult than this.

            Do you understand this? Do you really understand it?
            This popular school of thinking, and it is difficult for me to even call it 'thinking', will tell you that some people are prone to addiction while others are not.

            This is pure bullshit.

            The difference between an addict and a moderate user is that the latter accepts and deals with his pain while the former gives in to the pain.

            You accept the pain and you live it, then you are not an addict.

            It is that simple.

            You listen to me, don't listen to anyone that will write you paragraphs on addiction.

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            • #36
              Yes, Dado, we understand it. That works for many people. But not everyone knows the tools and is good at using them. For example, instead of getting bored and thinking about not partaking, you've got to find something better to do. The list of necessary behaviors and activities to quit something is long, and not everyone has learned enough of these tools to beat things on their own. It boils down to education.
              Crohn's, doing SCD

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                Yes, Dado, we understand it. That works for many people. But not everyone knows the tools and is good at using them. For example, instead of getting bored and thinking about not partaking, you've got to find something better to do. The list of necessary behaviors and activities to quit something is long, and not everyone has learned enough of these tools to beat things on their own. It boils down to education.
                I can't save the world, Knifegill.

                Nature mercilessly favors the strong.

                How did I develop my thinking? By putting in the work. If a person is not willing to work, let him addict himself.

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                • #38
                  Even those willing to work must be taught how. There are not enough teachers in this world.
                  Crohn's, doing SCD

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                  • #39
                    Its by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion
                    Its by the beans of Java the thoughts acquire speed
                    The teeth acquire stains
                    The stains become a warning.
                    Its by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
                    I Kettlebell therefore I am.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TorMag View Post
                      Its by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion
                      Its by the beans of Java the thoughts acquire speed
                      The teeth acquire stains
                      The stains become a warning.
                      Its by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
                      Love it!

                      So...are you a Mentat?
                      Last edited by Lynna; 06-04-2012, 11:47 AM.

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                      • #41
                        I take a caffeine pill (200mg) instead of drinking coffee, only because coffee slows me down too much in the morning because it's so relaxing. Not sure if a pill is unhealthy or anything.

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                        • #42
                          I think there must be those who can tolerate caffeine in their diet (unless they're all in denial), and those who can't. I'm one of those who can't. Giving it up was most definitely worth it for me. I find it difficult to understand how anyone committed to healthy living could accept being addicted to something, and I was definitely addicted to caffeine. It took me far longer than the time commonly stated to give it up - many weeks of headaches, nausea and feeling lousy. I occasionally give in to chocolate, but very rarely any other form of caffeine (including 'decaffeinated' coffee).

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Lynna View Post
                            Love it!

                            So...are you a Mentat?
                            My boss thinks so.........
                            I Kettlebell therefore I am.

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                            • #44
                              Dado, why are you getting so worked up about this and insulting me? You think you know me inside out based on a few forum posts? You didn't even guess my sex right for a start...

                              You think I can't handle a headache? Or feeling a bit crappy? Actually I can handle those things just fine. I have been chronically ill for several years, so a few weeks of withdrawal isn't going to bother me that much.

                              What I had trouble with the last time I tried to quit caffeine, was the fact that I was sleeping for 16 hours a day, sleeping through the alarm, and arguing with my other half which is totally out of character for me. This was after cutting out completely from a starting point of ~200mg of caffeine per day, so not an excessive amount.

                              I just wanted to know if anyone had some thoughts on how to cut down/quit without putting my life on hold. I didn't expect to be insulted!

                              Thank you to everyone else who has made some good comments.
                              Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
                              Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
                              Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
                              WOE: Primal + IF
                              Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
                              Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by lizmint View Post
                                I think there must be those who can tolerate caffeine in their diet (unless they're all in denial), and those who can't. I'm one of those who can't. Giving it up was most definitely worth it for me. I find it difficult to understand how anyone committed to healthy living could accept being addicted to something, and I was definitely addicted to caffeine. It took me far longer than the time commonly stated to give it up - many weeks of headaches, nausea and feeling lousy. I occasionally give in to chocolate, but very rarely any other form of caffeine (including 'decaffeinated' coffee).
                                Yes! This is the thing I've been thinking lately when reading people's opinions on whether caffeine has a place in a primal lifestyle. I would prefer to think of caffeine as part of my 10% cheating, but many others, like me, have said they can't function without it, and I think there's some denial going on for some people. Of course some people can have it as an occasional thing or drink it out of habit, but most coffee lovers for example HAVE to have their morning cup.

                                It's easy enough to say 'just cut down' if you are not addicted to something, or not interested in quitting yourself. It's easy enough to dismiss an addiction as just a lazy habit or a personality flaw. But to have withdrawal symptoms for up to 2 weeks, and to feel like going to the shop to buy some cola, several times a day all that time, that means simply that the biochemistry in your body is borked and needs fixing.

                                I am definitely quitting cola, the artificial sweetners are making me feel really bad. I just hope I can find an alternative that satisfies me, and which doesn't come with toxic problems of its own.
                                Last edited by CaveWeirdo; 06-04-2012, 01:58 PM.
                                Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
                                Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
                                Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
                                WOE: Primal + IF
                                Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
                                Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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