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  • Honey Do

    Hi all,

    OK, most sugars are a no-no, right? And honey is alright, at least in moderation.
    I would like to discuss this more. The reason why is that I like to cook, have a slight
    sweet tooth and have already used honey to replace sugar in a lot of my recipes.
    Is it ok to have honey in my regular food intake - especially if it is replacing my sugar
    intake? Also, I LOVE grape juice and grapefruit juice. Are the sugars in these really
    bad for me (I'm talking about 8 to 12oz per day)?

    FYI- I have been buying ALL of my honey from a place called Smiley Apiaries
    Tupelo Honey from Wewahitchka Florida - Smiley Apiaries
    No this isn't a plug, I heard from another person that Tupelo honey is awesome
    and so I tried it - and loved it. One of the biggest reasons? - it NEVER crystallizes!
    Add on top of that that I heard a honey expert say that it is one of the only food
    sources that pretty much lasts indefinitely- and it's natural - and no
    preservatives - wow.

    Anyway, let me know what you think.

  • #2
    me, personally, i enjoy honey and concord grape juice and will happily have them on occasion

    some people will come in to say it's too much sugar, true

    it all just depends on what your body weight goals are. if you want to lose, cut down. if you're happy with your weight, keep on truckin
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    • #3
      Depends

      If by replacing sugar with honey you mean 2 big spoons in your coffe 4 times a day, honey and almond flour cakes every day or so, large spoons of honey in greek yogert everyday, then that is more sugar than is optimal IMHO, if however you mean ocasional treat with paleo ingredients, then fine.

      Personally I only have fruit jucie very occasionaly, like less than once every 2-3 weeks, and then it's at least 50% water, but that's my choice, as it is quite sugary. As Bloodorchid said depends on what you are looking to achieve.
      You know all those pictures of Adam and Eve where they have belly button? Think about it..................... take as long as you need........................

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      • #4
        Like bloodorchid says, depends on your goals. What to lose weight? Having a hard time at it? Consider dropping the honey.

        At goal weight? Don't see any nasty sugar swings from eating it? Have fun!
        Steph
        My Primal Meanderings

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        • #5
          Thanks everyone - pretty much what I expected for suggestions. I didn't over-use sugar before, just wanted to have a good natural substitute for it in some of my recipes (meat marinades, etc.). I do enjoy eating 1 or 2 spoonfuls of honey once in a while (couple times a month). Forgive me but I'm a newbie to this and trying to learn from the veterans here how to improve my food intake.
          Thanks again for the input!

          Buzz

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          • #6
            I use a spoon of it in my coffee every day, just once a day and I dont see a problem with it. What is the biological differences between good honey and white or brown sugar? does 1 or the other affect us differently?
            Last edited by Warmbear; 06-04-2012, 09:02 AM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Warmbear View Post
              I use a spoon of it in my coffee every day, just once a day and I dont see a problem with it. What is the biological differences between good honey and white or brown sugar? does 1 or the other affect us differently?
              Not directly answering your question because it's comparing corn syrup vs. honey, but still useful info:
              The Daily Lipid: High-Fructose Corn Syrup is Sweet Poison, Honey Is Yummy -- Against "Pulling a Campbell"

              And it's been posted quite a bit on these forums, but you should also be careful about where you get your honey from, if your goal is to have a more "nutritious" sweeteners.

              Honey Laundering | Mother Jones

              White sugar is a refined product, half fructose and half glucose. It's been stripped of all nutrients. Brown sugar is slightly better because it has the molasses going for it. I'd say brown sugar > white sugar > agave nectar > HFCS.

              Raw honey, like real maple syrup, has nutrients going for it. At the end of the day, though, sugar is sugar. I'll take honey over agave, but I'm always conscious that it's only there to sweeten, and has little nutritional benefit to warrant the extra calories.
              Steph
              My Primal Meanderings

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              • #8
                Originally posted by onalark View Post
                White sugar is a refined product, half fructose and half glucose. It's been stripped of all nutrients. Brown sugar is slightly better because it has the molasses going for it. I'd say brown sugar > white sugar > agave nectar > HFCS.

                .
                No way, Jose. HFCS is absolute garbage, but agave nectar is substantially worse.

                Dr. Joseph Mercola: This Sweetener Is Far Worse Than High Fructose Corn Syrup
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  No way, Jose. HFCS is absolute garbage, but agave nectar is substantially worse.

                  Dr. Joseph Mercola: This Sweetener Is Far Worse Than High Fructose Corn Syrup
                  Hunh. That's interesting. Okay, I revise my statement, and agave continues to disappoint us all.

                  At least it can turn into tequila....
                  Steph
                  My Primal Meanderings

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                  • #10
                    Honey is high in fructose. As far as insulin goes it's no better than table sugar. Just because grok ate it that doesn't mean it's good for you. Grok was worried about survival and not optimum health. He would not have turned down donuts anymore than the seagulls will at the beach. Grok ate honey but only rarely and when it was in season.
                    Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Scott F View Post
                      Honey is high in fructose. As far as insulin goes it's no better than table sugar. Just because grok ate it that doesn't mean it's good for you. Grok was worried about survival and not optimum health. He would not have turned down donuts anymore than the seagulls will at the beach. Grok ate honey but only rarely and when it was in season.
                      You really should read that Daily Lipid article.

                      That said, I agree with you in that sugar is still sugar, regardless of how much good is bound up in it. Eat honey, but don't be surprised when it stalls your weight loss (if that is, in fact, your goal).
                      Steph
                      My Primal Meanderings

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                      • #12
                        Cordain talks about modern hunter/gathers eating honey in this video

                        See ref at 47 minutes to 49 minutes where Cordain says they only ate honey rarely

                        and again in the Q&A at 1hr 1 minute. where someone asks specifically if honey was better than sugar and Cordain says it's not..."honey is not a good thing."

                        Loren Cordain - Origins and Evolution of the Western Diet: Health Implications for the 21st Century. - YouTube
                        Last edited by Scott F; 06-04-2012, 01:28 PM.
                        Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                        • #13
                          Scott F,

                          I only use Tupelo honey and I realize that it has fructose in it, but isn't this a way better source for a natural
                          alternative to refined sugars? I'm not talking about sucking down cups of it daily, but rather using it as a
                          substitute to sugar. FYI - I intake less than 1 oz a week. It's delicious & full of nutrients and vitamins.

                          I'm only trying to clarify this issue. I am just starting this new way of life and am used to eating the usual
                          crap that a lot of people eat. Grains, sugars, etc... So my cooking and eating habits need to change - I get
                          that. I can compromise on a lot of things, but I don't see why I have to give up on something as pure
                          and delicious as honey. Maybe you can convince me?

                          More FYI from a Tupelo supplier:

                          "Our Tupelo has not been heated or filtered, it is Raw extracted Tupelo Honey, packaged in a bottle straight from the beehive to you."

                          Florida Department of Agriculture Analysis Report for 2009
                          100% Natural Honey
                          Fructose/Glucose Ratio -- 1.76
                          Fructose: HPLC ------------ 44.41%
                          Glucose: HPLC ------------- 25.30%
                          Maltose: HPLC ------------- 3.01%
                          Pollen Grains -------------- 95 %
                          Sucrose: HPLC -------------- 0.92%

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                          • #14
                            I love that video of the tribesman climbing a super tall tree in a jungle with a bucket, reaching into a live bee nest, and lowering loaded honeycombs down to his family while they all get stung to high heaven. Makes you wonder if all groks had balls like that.
                            Crohn's, doing SCD

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                              Makes you wonder if all groks had balls like that.
                              Pretty much, or we all wouldn't be here.

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