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    Basically we're both strength athletes but both like to be lean and healthy year round. I've experimented with basically every diet out there from standard body building diets to a wide variety of vegan diets to raw vegan diets and so on. Both of us have noticed that when our carbs drop below 200 grams we get all fuzzy headed/ light headed and just feel really strange like an outta body experience. also we notice feeling tired and lazy. I hear you have to stay on the diet long enough to train the body to run effectively on fats not carbs. But what about Muscle Glycogen? seems that 100 grams of carbs a day would leave ones muscles flat and weak? seems to be the common concern i hear from low carbers. Obviously low carbs is great for getting lean but is it good for building strength/ Muscle?

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    You need carbs to help recover when you're training hard and pushing your body. On days that you're working hard, some extra carby tubers or some white rice wouldn't hurt you.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by grayumm View Post
      You need carbs to help recover when you're training hard and pushing your body. On days that you're working hard, some extra carby tubers or some white rice wouldn't hurt you.
      How about fruit? i tend to feel better on fruit. starch especially grains gives me and a couple people i know inflammation in the joints.

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      • #4
        yeah, go for fruit! Sometimes I like to take a frozen banana and blend it with some milk and cacao powder, it's like a mini chocolate shake, but more better
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        • #5
          Originally posted by grayumm View Post
          yeah, go for fruit! Sometimes I like to take a frozen banana and blend it with some milk and cacao powder, it's like a mini chocolate shake, but more better

          HOw many grams of carbs does a guy like Mark Sisson get? he's at ideal body fat levels and active so like what 200? does he ever say?

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          • #6
            From what I've read, and the videos I've seen him talking in, he doesn't seem too concerned about specifics. Why stress out about it? Back in Groks day, he wasn't worrying about carb ratios, or if he was lifting enough weights. In Marks book, he says 150 carbs a day is ideal for easy weight management, so I'm guessing in a week that is what he averages. You seem to be worried about specifics, but my advice to you is to just listen to your body. Everyone is different, so what works for me, might not work for you, or anyone else. I honestly don't even calculate anything when I eat, all I do is just have a pile of veggies, some meat, and fruit, and some fat or oil for fullness and it seems to work for me.
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            • #7
              So all the whole fruit i care for?

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              • #8
                Definately try it out. If you're still feeling fuzzy/light headed, then maybe look at the types of fruits you are eating and see how much natural sugars they have... where on the glycemic index they are. (or whatever that is called)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by grayumm View Post
                  Definately try it out. If you're still feeling fuzzy/light headed, then maybe look at the types of fruits you are eating and see how much natural sugars they have... where on the glycemic index they are. (or whatever that is called)
                  Once i consume enough carbs from fruits or any source the issue goes away. any time the carbs are super low it comes back

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                  • #10
                    Your current issue is that you have no metabolic flexibility. Your body cannot switch between using fat for energy and carbohydrate. You feel sick and woozy on a low carb diet because your body cannot run off of fat. Most of the body builder guys around here say a low carb diet is horrible and you shouldn't do it. But I truly feel that a period of low carb in order to regain your metabolic flexibility makes all the difference in the world. Once you regain it, you can fuel your body on starches or fats (i.e. fast and use your body fat) as needed and you won't need to constantly shovel sugar into your face to keep from passing out. I think that J. Stanton has a lot of useful information. metabolic flexibility - GNOLLS.ORG
                    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                    • #11
                      There's no good reason to restrict carbs if you're healthy (which I assume you are if you're an athlete), especially if you're doing lots of exercise. Eat lots of root veggies (including potatoes) and fruit and cut down on the fat a bit if you want to lean out. Of course, everyone's different, but I and a lot of people here have realized that carbs don't make you fat [1] but are beneficial if you're exercising a lot. These days I eat 50-60% carbs (mostly potatoes, sweet potatoes and bananas) and feel great and am leaning out after cutting down on the fat.

                      [1] Whole Health Source: The Carbohydrate Hypothesis of Obesity: a Critical Examination
                      Last edited by mmsantos; 06-02-2012, 07:26 AM. Reason: typo

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                      • #12
                        First, get a handle on the QUALITY of food, and practice listening to your body's response. Then play with the ratios or amounts until you find the balance that's optimal for YOU in YOUR life.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                          Your current issue is that you have no metabolic flexibility. Your body cannot switch between using fat for energy and carbohydrate. You feel sick and woozy on a low carb diet because your body cannot run off of fat. Most of the body builder guys around here say a low carb diet is horrible and you shouldn't do it. But I truly feel that a period of low carb in order to regain your metabolic flexibility makes all the difference in the world. Once you regain it, you can fuel your body on starches or fats (i.e. fast and use your body fat) as needed and you won't need to constantly shovel sugar into your face to keep from passing out. I think that J. Stanton has a lot of useful information. metabolic flexibility - GNOLLS.ORG


                          interesting. how long does that normally take to get?

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                          • #14
                            You do get onto a more even energy level after a few weeks. But I would still up the carbs a lot ofter a workout, that way you get the best of both worlds. The benefits of the carbs for building muscle mass, without it going towards fat stores.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by symphonyofdreams View Post
                              interesting. how long does that normally take to get?
                              I would read the Gnolls.org website. Depending on your situation, it could take a month or two of low carb--and no "carbs after workout for energy" crap--to really get the machinery of your body to be able to use both the carbs and the fat equally without feeling tired. That was my own experience. You wouldn't have to stay low carb forever, but you would have to suffer a little at first.

                              Once I adapted, my energy level came back up to where it had been before but it was more steady and continuous, never flagging, never dependent on eating something to keep going. I do a lot of hiking and would climb up to some mountain with my friends and just watch them eat lunch. I went on this one backpack trip and postholed in the snow for hours without hunger or tiredness. J. Stanton of gnolls.org writes about climbing Mt. Whitney as a day hike fasted. Being someone who does things out in the wilderness I find a lot of value in being independent of having to ingest an external substance to have the energy I might need to save my own skin.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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