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    Hey everyone,

    I've been eating (vegetarian) Primal for a month now, and I still get ravenous between meals. However, I'm also pretty sure I am hypoglycemic (never realised before - but learnt about it since discovering the Primal lifestyle. Have just bought a kit to test myself) and I find gaps of more than 4 hours between meals really affect me (I even wake up at night).

    I see that many people who eat Primal don't feel hungry between meals. How long did it take before your hunger began to subside? And is no snacking an ideal of the Primal lifestyle?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    i personally feel very strongly that eating meals is best. if you're hungry between meals, make them larger. i like three big blood sugar and insulin spikes per day (aka meals!), sometimes two, and i don't want to constantly be digesting, or messing with hormonal levels. i think cutting snacking and sticking to meals is a powerful weightloss tool, as well.

    that being said, i'm likely making a bigger deal out of it than i should. if your health and physique are good, i don't think it's a make or break issue.

    also, any switch in diet will take some time to get used to. say a few weeks?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jakey View Post
      i like three big blood sugar and insulin spikes per day (aka meals!), sometimes two, and i don't want to constantly be digesting, or messing with hormonal levels.
      This is the part I'm confused about. Wouldn't snacking (on the right stuff) maintain the blood sugar at a pretty consistent level, and prevent it from spiking as much?
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #4
        For me it took a few days to a week at most to stop feeling like snacking all the time.
        I was fairly strict about carbs at the time, but I am not sure how much that mattered.

        As for ideal primal: from a purely health point of view, as long as your snacks don't spike your insulin too much, I don't see anything basic wrong with it. From a Grok point of view, you should be able to last a couple of days at least without crashing. You might be ravenous by the end, but you shouldn't suffer stuff like night sweats and shakiness.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          This is the part I'm confused about. Wouldn't snacking (on the right stuff) maintain the blood sugar at a pretty consistent level, and prevent it from spiking as much?
          actually, i would seek a spike rather than a constant low level elevation. i want mine to be either baseline, or acutely spiked. i have no metabolic dysfunction, and the nutrient spike partitions nicely to lean mass.

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          • #6
            Read this:
            Why Snacking Makes You Weak, Not Just Fat - GNOLLS.ORG
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • #7
              A couple of days without eating or without snacking??!

              If I don't eat for more than a few hours I start to feel unwell. Really thirsty, nauseous, emotional, demotivated. Then I eat triple the amount once I do get to chow down..! The intermittent fasting thing doesn't work for me, because I just eat heaps more the day after a fast. And even if I go to bed not totally full (ie. after having a very large meal) I won't sleep properly.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                Very interesting article - but it's all about snacking on carbs. I personally only snack on protein. (And occasionally on some raw broccoli!)
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  A couple of days without eating or without snacking??!

                  If I don't eat for more than a few hours I start to feel unwell. Really thirsty, nauseous, emotional, demotivated. Then I eat triple the amount once I do get to chow down..! The intermittent fasting thing doesn't work for me, because I just eat heaps more the day after a fast. And even if I go to bed not totally full (ie. after having a very large meal) I won't sleep properly.
                  That definitely sounds like hypoglycemia. I have had it for most of my life, but changing to this way of eating has eliminated all of my symptoms. At first, I snacked because I thought I needed to. Then I realized I didn't anymore. I find now that I feel better if I don't snack and just have big, hearty meals.

                  One issue I think you're having is that I found that animal fat and protein at every meal is absolutely necessary to alleviate my symptoms. I don't think it's absolutely necessary to stop snacking, but I think it's probably healthier. If you want to get down to two or three meals with no snacks, you're going to need plenty of protein and fat - which may mean alot more eggs and fish, or it may mean rethinking your vegetarianism.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    I've been eating (vegetarian) Primal for a month now, and I still get ravenous between meals.
                    I think you stated you own problem. I would be starving all the time if I did not eat meat.
                    "Canned food is a perversion,' Ignatius said. 'I suspect that it is ultimately very damaging to the soul."
                    - John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces)

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                    • #11
                      A couple of days with no meals and very little snacking. I can't remember who suggested that metric in the first place, and I tested it rather accidentally.
                      What you describe sounds like me at first. The first days I would definitely crash if I didn't eat fairly often. From my experience I'd say eat when you can and how much you can manage. I was stuck in bed for most of the day as well at the time, and I pretty much subsisted on deli meats, cheese, nuts and hard boiled eggs.
                      IF is something you try after your body has adjusted to things. For now, snack away until you get your hypoglycaemia under control.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Danielle5690 View Post
                        That definitely sounds like hypoglycemia. I have had it for most of my life, but changing to this way of eating has eliminated all of my symptoms. At first, I snacked because I thought I needed to. Then I realized I didn't anymore. I find now that I feel better if I don't snack and just have big, hearty meals.

                        One issue I think you're having is that I found that animal fat and protein at every meal is absolutely necessary to alleviate my symptoms. I don't think it's absolutely necessary to stop snacking, but I think it's probably healthier. If you want to get down to two or three meals with no snacks, you're going to need plenty of protein and fat - which may mean alot more eggs and fish, or it may mean rethinking your vegetarianism.
                        I know, I read recently that being veggie can exasperate hypoglycemia... I was vegan, so I've started eating eggs and dairy. I know dairy isn't primal but I thought it would be a good way to get some saturated fats?

                        To be honest I just can't see myself ever eating meat three times a day. This will probably sound stupid, but if I ate beef once a month do you think that would help with the hypoglycemia?! I am really tired of the insomnia... (no word play intended!)
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SleepyRoots View Post
                          IF is something you try after your body has adjusted to things. For now, snack away until you get your hypoglycaemia under control.
                          Good advice... thank you!
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • #14
                            Dairy is primal, but not paleo. Some people here avoid it by personal choice, but don't feel any less because you have it. I dropped it for lent, but I had severe issues getting in enough calories, so I have some, despite being mildly intolerant.

                            Do you think you will be able to cope with fish again? I think Mark said somewhere that meat isn't hugely necessary as long as there is plenty of seafood in the diet. I was vegan some years ago, and salmon was the first animal thing i could stomach again.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                              I know, I read recently that being veggie can exasperate hypoglycemia... I was vegan, so I've started eating eggs and dairy. I know dairy isn't primal but I thought it would be a good way to get some saturated fats?

                              To be honest I just can't see myself ever eating meat three times a day. This will probably sound stupid, but if I ate beef once a month do you think that would help with the hypoglycemia?! I am really tired of the insomnia... (no word play intended!)
                              I understand. I was vegetarian for a while and honestly believed I would never crave a steak again, but my body has acclimated pretty quickly and I have no problem eating meat at almost every meal.

                              If you have no ethical problems with reintroducing meat to your diet, I think that you should really consider it. I think that it will help alot with the hypoglycemia and you'll find that you feel better. Once a month is not enough to reduce your symptoms.

                              I've seen alot of people say "I know dairy isn't primal but..." Actually, IIRC, Mark's take on it is that if you tolerate it well (no lactose intolerance or bovine protein allergies), it's fine. I eat plenty of dairy. The problem with dairy is that you have to eat so much of it to get even a reasonable amount of protein. There's a similar issue with eggs. You might be able to get enough fat, but I think you're going to have a hard time getting as much protein as your body needs without meat.

                              Don't go straight to beef. Start slow, with some white fish or chicken breast, and see how you feel.

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