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  • #16
    Originally posted by quelsen View Post
    everyone is broken in a different way.

    From age 3 - 15 i was constantly hungry because my mother only fed me when she felt like it not when i told her i was hungry. From that my body learned that food was not going to come when it asked for it and so my hunger signals turned off
    from 15-35 I never got hungry. i didnt know what it felt like. and i ate on average 800 kcals daily with a ratio of 25%P 10%F and 65%C

    at age 35 I started working with naturopaths to fix my fat. after one Nuerocranial Adjustment ( moving the sphenoid bone, not the massage stuff ppl think about, but the ballons in the nose that the army does for all head traumas) I started to feel hunger. it was crippling. and at that point i was 475lbs.

    By the time i did my first round of HCG my hunger would leave me dizzy and sick to my stomach and it didnt matter what i ate or when etc.

    HCG stopped my hunger and regulated some of my cycles, when i came off my first round i felt full and sated for the first time in my life. however i was appalled at the amount of food it took. i was eating about 5000k daily to get to full.

    Then i started Primal and i noted that the type of food mattered. ( steak works chicken doesnt, chicken makes me hungry)
    Then i went Ketogenic and i noted that additional glucose gives me the hungries.

    looking back what i posit is this.

    my HPA was seriously screwed. it is healing.
    My liver was seriously screwed. it is healing.

    Most people do just need to shut their fraking cake hole.

    some dont.

    the thing is, YOU can never tell. Once i decided that everyone is truly doing the best they can with what they have i was able to let go of judging them, i mean there but for the grace of god go I. and if i had a better childhood i woudl be a better person. if i had more money i woudl be a better person, if i had more knowledge, more resources, more stability, more love, i woudl be goddamnedfuckingawesome.

    till then I
    Man it was really nice reading this, even though we do not have similar experiences, but thanks for sharing and congrats on all the positive steps you have made so far!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
      Supposing you have your leptin and ghrelin and all of that in perfect order, there is still an advantage to getting hungry despite having fat stores because your body requires more than just calories. It uses vitamins and minerals in its everyday functioning and needs to replace damaged proteins, and to do that it needs new food coming in.
      Interesting point!

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      • #18
        Because the stomach has a mind of its own, and is saying FEED ME!!! FEED ME!!!!!!!
        The stomach will not take NO for an answer.

        Grizz

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        • #19
          Two reasons off the top of my head:

          1. You might still have plenty of fuel around your middle, but you ran out of vitamins and minerals.

          2. Psychological hunger is a withdrawal symptom of an addiction to dwarf hybrid wheat.
          5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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          • #20
            Lustig is a hack. "Eat less and exercise more is not doable." Bullshit.

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            • #21
              That lustig video is such garbage. He is saying that if you get pumped full of insulin it will bring your maintenance calories down a large amount. If this were true, wouldn't a diabetic who doesn't make enough insulin or isn't having the insulin work properly lose weight?

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              • #22
                Gary Taubes talks about this in his books. Adipose tissue isn't a just a layer of fat that extra calories get stored into like leftovers in the fridge until out bodies get hungry enough we break down and pop a Tupperware of meatloaf in the microwave. It's constantly in a state of accepting and releasing energy. The problem is when insulin is too high our adipose tissue is storing more calories then it lets out. If you eat a 600 calorie meal and half the calories get put into fat storage your body only has 300 calories to run on, once that gets depleted you body tells you to eat more because with the high insulin the calories in fat are still locked away. So you eat more, and if you insulin is still too high the process gets repeated.

                With low insulin levels your adipose tissue works like it was designed to with energy going in and out constantly. If you don't eat for a couple hours or a day your adipose tissue is still releasing energy. This is why a lot of people find its easy to skip meals or to fast without feeling weak or ravishingly hungry at times when they would have been ready to eat anything in sight pre primal.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
                  Supposing you have your leptin and ghrelin and all of that in perfect order, there is still an advantage to getting hungry despite having fat stores because your body requires more than just calories. It uses vitamins and minerals in its everyday functioning and needs to replace damaged proteins, and to do that it needs new food coming in.
                  This. Many obese people are malnourished. Malnourishment and undernourishment are very different phenomena and can be totally uncoupled for someone consuming an industrialized diet.
                  F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                    This. Many obese people are malnourished. Malnourishment and undernourishment are very different phenomena and can be totally uncoupled for someone consuming an industrialized diet.
                    Great distinction.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                      That lustig video is such garbage. He is saying that if you get pumped full of insulin it will bring your maintenance calories down a large amount. If this were true, wouldn't a diabetic who doesn't make enough insulin or isn't having the insulin work properly lose weight?
                      T1D patients often experience dramatic weight loss until they get insulin again.
                      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                        Great distinction.
                        Thanks. Ah well, occasionally, I may talk some sense.
                        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                        • #27
                          Even Type 2 patients will dramatically lose weight if their blood sugar rises too high. My sister, a Type 2, had an undiagnosed kidney infection, and for a diabetic, any infection in the body will cause blood sugar problems. She didn't know why her sugars were so high, and before she was able to get an appointment with her doctor, she'd lost almost 25 lbs--in less than two weeks.

                          By the time she was diagnosed, she had to be hospitalized.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
                            Thanks. Ah well, occasionally, I may talk some sense.
                            I'd say you have a pretty good track record, by my reckoning!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                              I'd say you have a pretty good track record, by my reckoning!
                              Thank you. I feel flattered.

                              Time to climb up the wooden hill to bedfordshire ... have to take my darling little bunny to the vet tomorrow to get his teeth checked out as well as getting his myxamotosis jab.
                              F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jimhensen View Post
                                That lustig video is such garbage. He is saying that if you get pumped full of insulin it will bring your maintenance calories down a large amount. If this were true, wouldn't a diabetic who doesn't make enough insulin or isn't having the insulin work properly lose weight?
                                Unexplained weight loss is a symptom of diabetes, especially for Type 1.

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