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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
    Thank you, you've been very helpful. I'll see how I go with just clean primal foods and no calorie counting.
    Awesome! Tell you what: I'll stop the calorie-counting this week too. We can beat the calorie counting!!! (We'll smash it over the head with a rock, Grok-style.)
    F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

    **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

    **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
      I'm starting to get really low marks at school because weight loss and my diet is the only thing I can think about. I'm even losing my friends because I just don't care about them or anything else anymore. I need help but no one can help me and it's all my fault. I hate how I keep changing my mind about everything all the time but I don't know how to stop.
      You remind me of my 16-year-old self many years ago. I counted calories incessantly. Over and over and over again in my head I'd recount what I had already eaten, rounding up of course. Then I'd count again just in case I didn't add it up right. Then count again just to remind myself because maybe I remembered wrong. It was my goal to keep my calories before dinner under 500 then try to get away with eating as little at dinner as I possibly could without my mom noticing. You are in Hell, Ribbons. I've been there. I know.

      Add about 30 years of mild obesity (because I could not live like that more than one year before it backfired) to the present day. I now eat heartily of primal foods. My mind is quiet now and can think of other things besides adding up 100 calorie increments over and over in my head. I don't have to freak out after every meal. When I started eating higher fat, real foods I was 47 years old and at a point of desperation. I was willing to try it because there was nothing left to lose, nothing left to try. The obsessive thoughts stopped and for the first time I felt satisfied. I wandered in a daze for a while. What are you supposed to think about if you aren't worrying about calories or food? I realized that my disordered eating for all my life WAS NOT MY FAULT. I am not a weak-willed glutton. I was simply hungry. Now I am fed and I can get on with my day and do other things.

      It's worth a shot but at your stage in life you might not be ready. It might take being so desperate and a lifetime of failing and obesity.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
        I checked my BMR and it's like 1421 calories so healthy weight loss would be that minus 500 calories with equals to just over 900 cals a day.
        There's two numbers you need to know, your BMR AND your maintenance calories.
        For example, my BMR is 1521, and my maintenance calories are 2063.
        If I were to eat 2063 cals a day I would not gain weight.


        If I eat my BMR cals at 1521 a day, I have a deficit of 542 cals a day. (2063 minus 1521) And I should lose a pound a week, plus any exercise calories burned on top of that.

        You want to eat somewhere in between your BMR and your maintenance calories to lose weight. Don't eat under your BMR cals for longer than a couple of days! And I've found its good to eat slightly OVER your MAINTENANCE cals once a week or so. Keeps your body from freaking out!

        But I agree that the best thing to do is to get out of the calorie counting mindset for a while! Do the WHOLE 30 and just focus on eating nourishing, healthy, nutrient dense foods and learn how it feels to be satisfied and free of all that worry. Your body and mind will thank you!
        Last edited by camel; 05-28-2012, 11:13 AM.

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        • #34
          i think your calorie counting is a little obsessive and definitely unhealthy for you. if you want to keep the calories low, but don't want to count, restrict yourself to two meals a day: a good chunk of meat (twice the size of a deck of cards) and as much vegetable as you can fit into your stomach, plus a little fat (butter, homemade salad dressing or mayo, etc.) if you eat as much vegetables as i do (which is a lot), then you'll above your BMR and below your caloric requirement so you should still have a caloric deficit without counting calories and while still nourishing your body.

          i'd like to clear something up, which maybe is confusing you. your BMR is the absolute lowest amount you need. this is the ESTIMATED number you'd need if you were comatose. then there's the estimated number that you need to perform your daily functions (cleaning up the house, prepping food, etc.) this number is usually between 1800-2500 for people who don't do a ton of exercise.

          anyway, stick with the meat+veg thing i mentioned above. because you're restricting your calories somewhat, you need to stick with nutritionally dense foods: berries, dark greens, cruciferous vegetables, seaweed, bell peppers, organ meats if you can tolerate them, homemade bone broth, that sort of thing. make sure to get your meat, even if it's not organ meat. beef and pork are your friends.
          my primal journal:
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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          • #35
            Great thread...I've jsut had my breakfast (3 scrambled eggs in butter mixed with chicken liver pate, avocado & beetroor salad) and was about to count calories. But you know what? I won't today.

            Ribbons - you said nobody can help you becasue you keep changing the way you think. That's exactly why you need some help. Try it. A good GP will send you in the right direction, there are so many options such as therapy, councelling, group therapy, 12 step programmes etc. Please reach out, you don't have to suffer alone there are so many avenues for help out there. Life is foir living not for obsessing over food.

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            • #36
              I've stopped counting calories and I'm trying not to be so obsessive anymore.
              sbhikes, what you said about the counting and recounting calories, I did that literally all day. I was recording my food on myfitnesspal and when I was at school I'd be constantly thinking of ways to get away from my friends so I could check my food diary again and again even though I hadn't eaten anything since the last few times i checked it. And then when people were talking to me I wouldn't be listening because I'd be thinking "I've had 200 calories today. I think I'll have an egg for dinner. 70 calories if I microwave it, 101 if I scramble it. Microwave it is. So how many calories have I had so far... that's right, 200. But what about the cinnamon I put on my coffee this morning? Should I count that too? 1 calorie? Let's make it 10 just in case. And forget the egg, there's no point in eating. I've eaten too much already." And I just smile and nod my head while the person's talking to make it look like I was listening. So then my friends get bored with me because I don't talk anymore and I just want to be by myself all the time so I can go over everything I've eaten in my head over and over again.

              I'm doing better now that I'm eating real food but I had sushi tonight and I feel really guilty and fat. Everyone here says to eat lots of meat but my mum only cooks meat once or twice a week and she doesn't let me cook it. What should I do about protein when I get sick of eggs and canned tuna?

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              • #37
                Ribbons, what about getting deli meat from the grocery store? I like to add chopped turkey to my salads. Could you do something like that? Turkey, chicken, roast beef from the deli counter, chop them up with a hard boiled egg and add to your salads? Maybe some shredded cheese too?
                F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                • #38
                  The reason primal works as a weight loss regimen is because it is healing the damage that a bad diet has caused. Chances are you are starting off with all your various hormones out of kilter, and with mineral deficiencies, and inflammation in all your body's major systems. You can't begin to heal with such a huge calorie deficit. You need plenty of nutrients!

                  If you're doing IF you still need to have a good 're-feed' afterwards. Skip meals in order to skip the insulin spike and get some fat burning done but if you then eat tiny meals, you'll feel very tired and stressed all the time. 600 calories is one meal for me! It might seem counter-intuitive but you will lose more weight and lose it more consistently by having a less dramatic calorie deficit. If you insist of relying on calories, it's better to look at the calories you average over the week and make sure the deficit equals no more than one or two days worth of calories.

                  I personally think that 'calories in calories' out is a bit of Conventional Wisdom that should be ignored if you want to do primal properly. Part of the journey to becoming Grokette, at least for me, is dropping the quantitative measures of food, such as calories, grams, etc., and getting used to making food choices based on food quality and intuition.

                  Try going primal for six weeks, with no calorie counting, and no weighing yourself, just to see if you feel better. You might find you naturally crave more calories than you're used to, and end up gorging sometimes, but I'll bet you need the nutrients. Losing weight slowly is a lot easier to keep up in the long term, when you know you could pretty much eat this way forever!
                  Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
                  Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
                  Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
                  WOE: Primal + IF
                  Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
                  Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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                  • #39
                    Also, 'I think I'll have an egg for dinner', is a worrying thing to be thinking. One egg is not a meal. Three eggs with a plate of veggies is a meal!

                    Or better still, a steak. Tell your mum that you can feel yourself wasting away without steak!
                    Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
                    Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
                    Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
                    WOE: Primal + IF
                    Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
                    Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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                    • #40
                      You really do need to seek a therapist. Is there a social worker at your school? Start there and s/he can recommend a good community resource to you for a specialist. You have an ED because your thoughts about food are keeping you from functioning normally. A therapist will help you deal with all of the different thoughts swimming around in your head.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by JackieKessler View Post
                        Ribbons, what about getting deli meat from the grocery store? I like to add chopped turkey to my salads. Could you do something like that? Turkey, chicken, roast beef from the deli counter, chop them up with a hard boiled egg and add to your salads? Maybe some shredded cheese too?
                        Good idea, I'll try that next time I go shopping.


                        CaveWeirdo, don't worry, I'm eating a lot more now, probably too much
                        I agree that calories aren't the best measure of food intake but when I'm desperate it seems 'safe' because I know I can lose weight with a calorie deficit and 99% of people giving weight loss advice go on and on about calories like the calorie content of food is the only thing you need to know.

                        I might have to go back to calorie counting when I stop losing weight though because I doubt I can get to my goal weight without restricting.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by teach2183 View Post
                          You really do need to seek a therapist. Is there a social worker at your school? Start there and s/he can recommend a good community resource to you for a specialist. You have an ED because your thoughts about food are keeping you from functioning normally. A therapist will help you deal with all of the different thoughts swimming around in your head.
                          I don't have an ED because it's not like I wasn't eating anything at all... There were some day that I went over 2000 calories! Sure I felt guilty afterwards and I was thinking of throwing up but who wouldn't? My behaviour doesn't always match my thoughts. I still think about weight loss every second of the day but I'm eating much more now that I'm not counting calories.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by SleepyRoots View Post
                            For goodness sake EAT!

                            If you are physically active and have any weight to lose, you probably need at least 1800cal a day. If you have a lot less, your body may very well slow down it's metabolism to make the energy go further.

                            Of course you could do a *medically supervised* total fast, but I don't think many people are severe enough for doctors to consider that.

                            The point of primal low carb is that insulin inhibits fat burning. Low carb = low insulin, which means your body can start attacking fat stores.
                            Weight loss speed varies, but I can tell you that it's going to be a lot slower if you keep jerking your body around with different diets. Pick a way of eating and stick to it for good. If you don't understand it and believe in it, chances are you are going to have a very hard time sticking to it.
                            this thing with this reasoning though is that it does NOT take into account really SHORT people. I am just barely 5 feet tall and i KNOW that if eat even 1500 calories a day, I WILL gain weight, no matter how active I am. Well I guess if i was training for a marathon, but I just mean, normal, one hour daily workouts. I have to eat 1200 calories to even lose weight. So I will be careful in advising people about a specific number of calories they need, because this advice made me gain weight.....of course i wasnt eating primally then, but still.....

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
                              I need to lose weight fast because I hate the way I look.
                              You can't fix a body you hate.

                              I'm short and I'm like 59kg which is way too much for my height.
                              What is "short?" 130lb is not wayyyyy too much for anyone. The scale is THE LAST tool of measure that you should be using.
                              DITCH THE SCALE

                              I don't think I can lose weight fast unless I keep my calories low.
                              Well you're wrong, and everybody keeps telling you that. Stop trying to do this your way. It's clearly not working for you. You can't do PB half assed, eat "semi-primal", apply your own twisted version of CW, and expect it to work "really fast".

                              Read the book, follow the lifestyle, trust the research.

                              One of the reasons PB works is that you're eating clean, natural foods that your body knows what to do with them. It knows what to do with the nutrients, it knows how to process and eliminate it extremely efficiently. Its why you can eat many more calories than you ever thought possible. When you eat FAKE sup-optimal food, your body is confused and doesn't process it properly, which is why those poor quality carbohydrates and fat arent processed and eliminated, but stored on your body.
                              Sandra
                              *My obligatory intro

                              There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

                              DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
                                I don't have an ED because it's not like I wasn't eating anything at all... There were some day that I went over 2000 calories! Sure I felt guilty afterwards and I was thinking of throwing up but who wouldn't? My behaviour doesn't always match my thoughts. I still think about weight loss every second of the day but I'm eating much more now that I'm not counting calories.
                                There are a variety of eating disorders. It is not normal to feel guilty eating 2000 calories and then to consider throwing up, it really isn't. The sooner you realize that what you are living is NOT normal and get help, the better.

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