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  • Everyone keeps telling you to get advice. Why are you and Gadsie now both on the "I'll go to counselling but not talk about the issues" - do you seriously think anyone is going to endorse that? What do you want people to say?

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    • Originally posted by JackieKessler View Post
      From starvation? Of course not. But there's no way to know about anything else, such as "Heart damage, which ultimately killed singer Karen Carpenter.
      Read my posts, Jackie. I very specifically asked Ribbons to have the doctor check her to make sure that her heart was beating as it should. My remark may have sounded off the cuff, but it was deliberate.
      Last edited by oxide; 06-11-2012, 04:34 AM.
      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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      • Originally posted by amberlee View Post
        Everyone keeps telling you to get advice. Why are you and Gadsie now both on the "I'll go to counselling but not talk about the issues" - do you seriously think anyone is going to endorse that? What do you want people to say?
        I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was asking if it's possible to tell the psych about the issues but just not the GP because they'd have more reason to weigh me if I told them about my ED.

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        • Your answers say it all, there is no rationality in them.
          I'll see a doctor but I don't want to be weighed.
          Can I get a referal on the basis of anxiety or depression?
          I'm eating less calories than my body needs every day,
          Then you say, I'm trying to eat healthy.
          You are in denial of a problem, you admit it on an academic level, but not from your heart.
          How is anyone supposed to help you if you aren't truthful with them.
          You need to let go of this food obsession for now, stop counting calories at all.
          You need to focus 100% on your exams, make some commitments, set some goals.

          eg Once I finish my exams I will organise to see a doctor, until then I need to eat well, sleep well & look after myself so I can do my best in the exams.

          Walking is an excellent therapy to clear your head, do whatever you need to just to push it back for a little while, knowing you will deal with it in the near future.

          Make up a little mantra like:
          My Body & mind needs nutrition.

          You need to keep telling yourself this, every time the food thing comes up in your head or make up a mantra more appropriate for you, but you have to eat to get well.
          "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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          • Originally posted by oxide View Post
            Read my posts, Jackie. I very specifically asked Ribbons to have the doctor check her to make sure that her heart was beating as it should. My remark may have sounded off the cuff, but it was deliberate.
            I did read your posts, oxide. Specifically:

            Ribbons, if you are 5'2" and ~ 130 lbs, you're not about to die. It's a healthy weight.
            You're telling her that she's not about to die, and I agree, she's not about to die from starvation. But her heart (let alone other vital organs) might be very, very far from healthy, and that's why I'm urging her to see her doctor and, along with that, really open up to a therapist.

            No need for us to argue; we're all on the same side here. We all want Ribbons -- and anyone else suffering with an ED -- to get the help needed to become healthy.
            F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

            **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

            **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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            • Originally posted by Omni View Post
              Your answers say it all, there is no rationality in them.
              I'll see a doctor but I don't want to be weighed.
              Can I get a referal on the basis of anxiety or depression?
              I'm eating less calories than my body needs every day,
              Then you say, I'm trying to eat healthy.
              You are in denial of a problem, you admit it on an academic level, but not from your heart.
              How is anyone supposed to help you if you aren't truthful with them.
              You need to let go of this food obsession for now, stop counting calories at all.
              You need to focus 100% on your exams, make some commitments, set some goals.

              eg Once I finish my exams I will organise to see a doctor, until then I need to eat well, sleep well & look after myself so I can do my best in the exams.

              Walking is an excellent therapy to clear your head, do whatever you need to just to push it back for a little while, knowing you will deal with it in the near future.

              Make up a little mantra like:
              My Body & mind needs nutrition.

              You need to keep telling yourself this, every time the food thing comes up in your head or make up a mantra more appropriate for you, but you have to eat to get well.
              Am I really not making sense though? I thought I just explained that I'd tell the psych but not the GP because I don't want to be weighed... Why doesn't anyone understand that?
              Btw I don't count calories on purpose anymore. I haven't done that in weeks (my sense of time isn't very good at the moment so I really don't know how long it's been). Like I said before, I'm not under-eating. I can't let go of the obsessions though and I'm not thinking straight so tell me if anything I said doesn't make sense.

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              • Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
                I know, I mean I guess I'd tell a psychologist/psychiatrist about my food issues but I don't want to be weighed and I don't want any sort of physical check-up because I'm embarrassed about my body, so could I get a referral from a GP but say it's for other problems like depression/anxiety and then they wouldn't have to weigh me?
                Ribbons -- you **have** to get a physical check up. You have to. Even if you're embarrassed about your body. Even if you think you're fine. You have to get a physical check up.

                A doctor's sole purpose is to make sure that your body -- whether or not you're embarrassed about it -- is working and is healthy.

                The very fact that you don't want to go to someone who would see if you're actually healthy, someone who can help you, because you're embarrassed about your body, speaks volumes. You have an eating disorder, Ribbons. You need to get help. You need to get healthy.

                You need to stop making excuses ("I logged into the site but I think they were busy"; "I don't want to be weighed"; "I don't want any sort of physical check-up because I'm embarrassed about my body") and start taking control. Right now, you are not in control. Your eating disorder is in control. You're stronger than that. You can take control of your life, right this very second, by making a doctor's appointment. Right now.

                Be in control, Ribbons. Get to the doctor pronto.
                F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                • Originally posted by JackieKessler View Post
                  Ribbons -- you **have** to get a physical check up. You have to. Even if you're embarrassed about your body. Even if you think you're fine. You have to get a physical check up.

                  A doctor's sole purpose is to make sure that your body -- whether or not you're embarrassed about it -- is working and is healthy.

                  The very fact that you don't want to go to someone who would see if you're actually healthy, someone who can help you, because you're embarrassed about your body, speaks volumes. You have an eating disorder, Ribbons. You need to get help. You need to get healthy.

                  You need to stop making excuses ("I logged into the site but I think they were busy"; "I don't want to be weighed"; "I don't want any sort of physical check-up because I'm embarrassed about my body") and start taking control. Right now, you are not in control. Your eating disorder is in control. You're stronger than that. You can take control of your life, right this very second, by making a doctor's appointment. Right now.

                  Be in control, Ribbons. Get to the doctor pronto.
                  Why do I need a physical check-up? I haven't had any health problems. I'm sure I would have noticed if my heart stopped working or something. Is it really not possible to just get a referral from the GP for a psychologist/psychiatrist? Because it's really not about my physical health. I'm eating enough, I take vitamin supplements, I don't eat gluten, sugar, vegetables oils, etc. most of the time. If I told the dr that I just have some mental issues but don't mention the ED then why would they weigh me?

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                  • Go do it.
                    If that is what you need to do then do it.
                    Make an appointment, tell the doctor you are suffering from anxiety & depression and you would like to speak to a psychologist/psychiatrist to help you work through this problem.
                    "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                    • I agree with Omni. As long as you do it today. Please make the appointment. Call now.
                      F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                      **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                      **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                      • But do you think they'll still want to weigh me?

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                        • Originally posted by Ribbons View Post
                          But do you think they'll still want to weigh me?
                          I don't know, Ribbons. But that's not a good enough reason for you not to make the appointment.

                          Call your doctor. Make the appointment. Don't make excuses. Take control of your life. YOU CAN DO THIS.
                          F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                          **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                          **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                          • When you go to the doctor's office, you can ask that if they weigh you, they'll not tell you the number or let you see the number.

                            in a lot of eating disorder facilities or for people in treatment, they weigh them standing backwards so that they can't see the scale's number, and they purposefully won't tell them because it creates anxiety.

                            the doctor's office only uses it as another evaluation point, and I'm sure you could even decline it.

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                            • I think it would help if you asked your mom to make the appointment, and please request no weighing. And heck, those nurses weigh a dozen people every day. They can probably guess your weight just by looking at you. So I don't see why it's so important to officially step on the scale.

                              I'm still amazed at your progress. Over the past couple weeks you've gone from total denial to seeking help online, then an online counselor, then telling your parents. You're wavering on the doctor, but I think you'll agree to that too. Sure, it's three steps forward, two steps back -- but that's still a step forward.
                              5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                              • Ok, thanks guys. I think I'll go to the dr this weekend. Only thing is my mum will be interstate until sometime next week and my dad's always busy. So I could go by myself... I'm starting to think I don't need to go though. Sorry, I know this is really repetitive. I think I should wait a bit longer because maybe if I eat normally for long enough the anxiety will go away? That's sort of what billp said.

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