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  • #16
    I don't think in terms of 'cheat'. I avoid the foods that don't agree with me (grains, legumes and uncultured dairy) and focus on basic things like veggies and protein. But there are some grey areas~

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    • #17
      I'll have some wine, some licorice and some ice cream every once in a while. So...once a month maybe and I pay no attention to it. What I never mess with is anything with gluten in it.

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      • #18
        I agree with not thinking of certain foods as cheats. There's things I eat never, things I eat infrequently, and things I eat often. I use what Mark calls the "Primal Blueprint" and Kurt Harris calls the "Evolutionary Metabolic Milieu" as a guideline (along with how foods make me feel) to determine which group a food fits into.
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        • #19
          Like most of you guys, I cheat once in a while, perhaps a little too often. I do pride myself however on avoiding the grains 99.9% of the time. My real Achilles heel is crisps (potato chips). Just yesterday I was cleaning out my daughters school lunchbox and found an open packet of crisps, just one or two eaten, so I thought to myself, 'just one' then I'll ditch them. In 30 seconds flat I'd wolfed down the whole bag............................ Grok ate crisps didn't he?
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          • #20
            i don't think in terms of 'cheating'...i eat healthy, occasionally i eat a non-primal thing due to circumstance or desire (which is usually a beer)

            i don't think about it, hold on to it, or worry about it...

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            • #21
              The only time I eat anything non Primal is for social reasons when something is out of my control. Ex: Chinese food with friends. I'm not going to stress about the food being cooked in some less than optimal oil. I really don't think that with an otherwise clean diet (e.g. all grass fed meats) that my O3/O6 ratio is going to be permanently impaired by some kung pao chicken once in a while.

              Otherwise I have zero desire for any grain based anything. Just doesn't appeal anymore. Even my once beloved pizza. And I never did have a sweet tooth even pre-primal. The only things that call my name are the greasy salty crunchy things like the above mentioned crisps. I just don't allow them in the house.

              I have worked to get my body back into the shape I was in in high school and heal the damage done by cancer. I'm not going to screw it up again. I've got too much at stake.
              Last edited by Paleobird; 05-24-2012, 07:42 PM. Reason: kant spell

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              • #22
                Well, I just came back from an amazing meal of lobster ravioli and tiramisu. For appetizers, I had homemade bread dipped in EVOO. All this was followed by a glass of dry red wine. It was with an old friend who made me laugh the entire time, on a patio on a street with great people watching and beautiful sunshine. Our meal lasted two hours and I would not have traded these memories, the food or the good positive feelings for anything else in the world.

                The thought of missing out on memories like this to go home and eat my homemade beef pho stew alone is too unbearable for me- not matter how delicious it may be. Life is and should be about balance. Food is important, but it is not everything. Health encompasses so much more than that.

                For the record. I easily "cheat" once a week. And I love it
                Last edited by catbreu; 05-24-2012, 06:31 PM.

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                • #23
                  I totally agree that the social aspect of sharing food together is important and that the stress of stressing out about every little thing is as unhealthy as bad food choices.

                  That said, why does it seem that people keep equating non-primal "cheat" foods with fun? Are Primal foods boring? I don't think so. You could just as easily have a wonderful dinner shared that was steaks, salads, sweet potatoes, and berries with real whipped cream for dessert. Just as many wonderful memories.

                  In general I think that younger people with healthy metabolisms can cheat more often without it being harmful. Those of us who are older and/or working with some damaged machinery need to keep it clean as much as possible.

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                  • #24
                    It's funyn how I really lost the taste for pasta an pizza.
                    I love primal foods. They are fun and exciting

                    I guess that's the true difficulty in primal, not stressing about it
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Boneidle24seven View Post
                      Like most of you guys, I cheat once in a while, perhaps a little too often. I do pride myself however on avoiding the grains 99.9% of the time. My real Achilles heel is crisps (potato chips). Just yesterday I was cleaning out my daughters school lunchbox and found an open packet of crisps, just one or two eaten, so I thought to myself, 'just one' then I'll ditch them. In 30 seconds flat I'd wolfed down the whole bag............................ Grok ate crisps didn't he?
                      Have you considered making your own from sliced potatoes and tallow? How hard can it be? The main objection to crisps is the veg oil they are inevitable made out of these days. If you are eating low carb then just don't eat them all the time.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Gilleh View Post
                        It's funyn how I really lost the taste for pasta an pizza.
                        I love primal foods. They are fun and exciting

                        I guess that's the true difficulty in primal, not stressing about it
                        I've lost my taste for pasta and pizza too. I do still sometimes crave them when I have been eating low carb for a while (for fat loss). When that happens I take it as a signal to eat some starchy food like potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes and peas. As long as I've not been doing any weightlifting that puts a stop to the craving for pasta and pizza. If I try to ignore such cravings I stop losing weight/fat and inevitable end up gorging on pasta and pizza - and eating more for days after as a result, due I think to the slightly mind altering effects of wheat.
                        Last edited by billp; 05-25-2012, 07:02 AM.

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                        • #27
                          I've never cheated before. I'm fully aware of what I'm eating and if it doesn't fit into The Primal Blueprint, I have a reason why I'm eating it. This isn't a religion or a relationship, so I can't cheat on it.
                          Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                          • #28
                            Here's the thing (for me anyhow): this is a lifestyle. It isn't a diet. I'm not counting calories or points, I'm not worried about getting myself in trouble with food and I am, most importantly, not eating without thought anymore. For me, all of those things were unsustainable and unhealthy (through stress in the first two and with a large waistline in the last).

                            I'm at a point now where the cravings are all but gone and they took most temptation with them! Having said that, if I'm faced with a dinner out or a piece of birthday cake, I just ask myself if the eating is worth the way that I'll feel after. If it is, I eat it and don't stress; if not, I don't. But I take the 30 seconds and THINK about it. Then I deal with the consequences one way or the other and go on with my life.

                            It makes it easy to avoid nasty sweets from bad bakeries and leaves me with the good stuff :-)

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                            • #29
                              I don't think of it so much as cheating, as "off plan." I started eating primally for weight loss; now I do it for weight loss and general health. But I am aware that going off plan slows down the weight loss part of the plan, even if doing it once in a while at random intervals doesn't significantly impact my health.

                              That said, there's off plan and then there's REALLY off plan. For instance, to keep my weight loss steady at about 2 lbs a week I need to keep fruit intake rational because of the sugar. I don't have a problem avoiding the really high sugar or fructose fruits, but I can demolish my own weight in strawberries, blueberries and blackberries without even thinking about it. A couple of times a month in summer, I get a couple of pints of random berries, maybe some melon, and just go to town. I don't think of that as being really off plan, though - just not a great way to keep my weight loss going.

                              I would say I go actually for real off plan maybe once or twice a month, and it usually involves a couple of scoops of ice cream. Or some chips, or a couple of pieces of actual crap candy like I did this week when I was trapped in a recording studio with nothing but coffee, chips, and taffy. Urg. I stay gluten-free about 99% because of intolerance, and I stay sugar free as much as I can because I try to keep ketogenic, but that was not a good day in either sense.

                              But I still don't think of it as cheating anymore. Before these forums, I would have thought of that as really cheating and felt guilty and maybe binged even more to avoid the guilt crap. Now, I call it "an unscheduled carb re-feed" and smile my way through it. And then IF after!
                              Last edited by merryish; 05-25-2012, 07:44 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Probably once a week for me, but they are almost always planned cheats. Tomorrow I'm running 10 miles and rewarding myself with homemade pizza and milkshake. They won't even dent what I burned!
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                                Allowing myself indulgences outside of the PB has helped my compliance tremendously. I'm getting more and more paleo days because I'm more relaxed around food.
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