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  • Ketosis, mental energy, and euphoria

    Hello guys,

    I used to suffer from anxiety and depression, until I first tried a VLC diet. After 3 days, I had a sudden rush of happiness, excitement, and energy to my brain, and the constant background anxiety disappeared. I was much sharper, and calm and the same time. It felt really good.

    However, after 10 days of feeling good, I ended up binging on carbs a couple times, and kept getting on and off the keto wagon. This time around, I stuck with the keto diet and after more than a week eating 0 carbs, I felt a little burst of euphoria which quickly disappeared after a couple hours. I'm now back into my sluggishness, and cant seem to get to where I was.

    I am rather confused.

    So I have 2 questions:

    -did you feel a similar hyper-energetic/happy feeling in your brain when getting into ketosis? did it last indefinitely or was it temporary?

    -do you get even more energetic after 3 weeks, when the brain is supposedly ketoadapted?


    I hope the cure to my mental disorder can be found in this diet, nothing has ever made me feel so good . I just hope I can feel as good as I was in the initial stages of the diet, the first time I tried!

  • #2
    I do get a strong mental clarity when I go very low carb. I wouldn't describe it as euphoria. I have read of others who truly benefit from a mental health standpoint from very low carb diets. It evens out their emotions. This is a far cry from a euphoric high, unless finally not feeling depressed and in a mental fog could be described as euphoria.

    I would doubt that if you are seeking a feeling of being high that you will attain it like you did at first. It was probably just the newness of suddenly not being clouded by the effects of grains and bad oils and getting over that initial low-carb funk. Your brain at last getting what it needs with nothing in the way.
    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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    • #3
      Here is a really EXCELLENT video about Ketosis..
      Iodine Replacement Therapy

      Grizz

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      • #4
        Nice to know, for the mental clarity. I also did experience it. The thing about euphoria: for me suddenly getting out of depression translates to euphoria, but that might just be the way you feel on a daily basis if you've never had mental issues.

        How long does it generally take you to become clear-minded in the initial stages of the diet?

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        • #5
          I felt great at first, but sadly it died off for me and Im back to my sluggish tired old self.
          However, this might be the reason for it! Might be worth a look.

          Going Low-Carb too Fast May Trigger Thyroid Troubles and Hormone Imbalance | drcate.com
          I'm not a complete idiot! There's parts missing!!

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          • #6
            I've suffered depression often in the past, but since being primal I have noticed a general improvement of my day-to-day moods, less mood swings and less irritability about minor things. My sister is also primal and she says she feels more 'extroverted' lately.

            Depression is a symptom of minor brain damage, which can be healed holistically. Pretty much anything you can do to keep your body healthy will prevent a bout of depression starting. These are the 4 things I would prescribe to every patient I ever met, if I were a doctor:
            - reduce inflammation by having a clean diet,
            - improve blood and lymph circulation by doing some regular intense exercise,
            - spend some time every day in fresh air and direct sunlight (even if the weather is crap),
            - cultivate healthy gut flora by taking fermented foods and/or a probiotic supplement.

            There are visualisation and therapy techniques that can help as well but I haven't found them to be necessary - while running on good quality fuel my brain just seems to run better!
            Start weight: 238 lbs (March 2012)
            Current weight: 205 lbs (July 2012)
            Loss so far: 33 lbs!!!
            WOE: Primal + IF
            Movements: Hiking, sprinting.
            Goal: to see my abs some time in 2013!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grizz View Post
              Here is a really EXCELLENT video about Ketosis..
              Iodine Replacement Therapy

              Grizz
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              carl's cave

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Reservoir View Post
                I'm now back into my sluggishness, and cant seem to get to where I was.

                I am rather confused.
                Have you tried eating more?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by js290 View Post
                  Have you tried eating more?
                  THe number of calories isn't a problem, I eat around 2500cal.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rattybag View Post
                    I felt great at first, but sadly it died off for me and Im back to my sluggish tired old self.
                    However, this might be the reason for it! Might be worth a look.

                    Going Low-Carb too Fast May Trigger Thyroid Troubles and Hormone Imbalance | drcate.com
                    Interesting. But when I go low on carbs, its not like I feel worse than when Im eating sugars. I feel just as sluggish and anxious.

                    I have found a study showing that in the initial stages of ketosis some can feel euphoria due to production of BHB, a GABA neurotransmiter agonist. Thus explaining why we feel calm and relaxed. So it is possible that we wont feel so good on the long run.
                    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17011713

                    But hey, its still worth trying in my opinion! I'm going to go full keto for a month to see if keto-adaptation can enhance my mental energy. Normally, according to studies on mitochondria in the brain, it should.

                    How long have you been in keto? How long has the euphoric feeling lasted initially?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CaveWeirdo View Post
                      I've suffered depression often in the past, but since being primal I have noticed a general improvement of my day-to-day moods, less mood swings and less irritability about minor things. My sister is also primal and she says she feels more 'extroverted' lately.

                      Depression is a symptom of minor brain damage, which can be healed holistically. Pretty much anything you can do to keep your body healthy will prevent a bout of depression starting. These are the 4 things I would prescribe to every patient I ever met, if I were a doctor:
                      - reduce inflammation by having a clean diet,
                      - improve blood and lymph circulation by doing some regular intense exercise,
                      - spend some time every day in fresh air and direct sunlight (even if the weather is crap),
                      - cultivate healthy gut flora by taking fermented foods and/or a probiotic supplement.

                      There are visualisation and therapy techniques that can help as well but I haven't found them to be necessary - while running on good quality fuel my brain just seems to run better!
                      Except for probiotics, I'm doing all of these and taking lots of beneficial supplements such as omega 3, magnesium and B vitamin. Hasn't been enough to improve my mood, though!

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                      • #12
                        I don't know that I ever had a true mental disorder. I was diagnosed with depression and took medication for a while, but gosh, isn't everyone? All throughout my life I have experienced at least a little depression. There were many periods of my life where I could barely stay awake all day. I thought at one point I fit the description of dysthymia pretty well.

                        Something truly changed on this diet. I don't think it was the ketosis, though. After the elimination of grains and seed oils, I think it was a combination of Vitamin D and animal fat that really pushed me to the good side of mental health. If I stop taking the Vitamin D and there's no sun to go out in, I stop feeling quite so energetically happy. If I eat less animal fat I stop feeling quite so focused, calm and even. By animal fat I mean the white stuff that floats to the top of my beef broth, the fattiest pieces of pork or beef and chicken with the skin still on.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                          I don't know that I ever had a true mental disorder. I was diagnosed with depression and took medication for a while, but gosh, isn't everyone? All throughout my life I have experienced at least a little depression. There were many periods of my life where I could barely stay awake all day. I thought at one point I fit the description of dysthymia pretty well.

                          Something truly changed on this diet. I don't think it was the ketosis, though. After the elimination of grains and seed oils, I think it was a combination of Vitamin D and animal fat that really pushed me to the good side of mental health. If I stop taking the Vitamin D and there's no sun to go out in, I stop feeling quite so energetically happy. If I eat less animal fat I stop feeling quite so focused, calm and even. By animal fat I mean the white stuff that floats to the top of my beef broth, the fattiest pieces of pork or beef and chicken with the skin still on.
                          Interesting you mention this. This past weekend, I was part of a two-man egg-cracking team for the breakfast event at our church. My teammate/friend kept calling me by someone else's name, even when I reminded him twice, or thrice. He said he needed more coffee, but I was more tempted to say he needed more fat.
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                          • #14
                            I eat vlc/no carb during the week & moderate carb on weekends- careful about carb sources, of course try to avoid grains etc. You could try that. I love the clarity from no carbs but enjoy a few days a week with some carbs also.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Reservoir View Post
                              THe number of calories isn't a problem, I eat around 2500cal.
                              Have you tried eating more?

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