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    It was a workday at my "church." A particular guy I always thought of looking sick showed up. Dave is skinny, has a sallow look, there is no joy in his eyes, very low energy, all of the time. (His wife, OTOH, is vibrant, although of poor health, so ????)


    I thought to myself, "I'll bet he's a vegetarian or vegan." Sure enough, at lunch time out comes the pasta and broccoli "salad", a fruit cup and then some kind of rice krispie bar. Yum....NOT.


    Then two women started talking about veganism, how the Hole Foods CEO is doing such a great job, and oh, did you know that X and family are now vegan? Which might explain THAT husband being a physical and emotional duplicate of the first guy. He's afraid of his own shadow....and his kids!


    I asked if they've heard of The Vegetarian Myth... oh yeah, I'm eating my tangy BBQ'd chicken leg....of course not. I summed it up in a sentence or two and they just ignored me.


    I thought about poking them in the eye again, so to speak, but decided to not frustrate myself.


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    But of course you have no idea how many healthy people looking you see are vegetarian or vegan, so you have absolutely no idea of the validity.

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      Hmmmm avocado, I know a lot of vegans who claim to be "healthy" but are skinny fat, low energy, with dull skin and hair. But damn they're self rightious!

      The more I see the less I know for sure.
      -John Lennon

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        probably better you didn't poke them in the eye.

        It would have fallen out due to lack of strong cell membranes deprived of fat.

        semper ad meliora

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          earthmomma, that's the opposite of my point. Who knows, maybe everyone who looks sickly is vegan. Um, yeah sure. But that still doesn't mean that everyone who is vegan looks sickly. There's a lot of damn self-righteousness around here too :-) It's an equal opportunity vice :-)

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            My girlfriend's brother is a vegetarian since 13, he's 27 and is in pretty good shape. He doesn't supplement (that I can tell) but does eat tofu and crap like that for protein. I know he doesn't know how to cook much besides pastas and veggie stir frys. The point though when it comes to him he's in good shape and he eats whatever crap he wants. He does however work out every now and then.

            I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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              avacado, you are reading more into my observation than what I said. Most of us here know that there are a lot of healthy veggies, especially ovo-lacto's and fish eaters.


              But the flip side is that probably that most of the people as I described and others did are strict vegetarian or vegan. In fact, I'd say those characteristics aren't even found on a SAD diet.

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                I guess I just figured you wouldn't post the observation if you didn't think it had wider meaning than one individual. Otherwise what's the point?

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                  We all generalize a bit, but I'd say that the majority of vegans look unhealthy. Vegetarians may be a different story, but I'd say the unhealthy to healthy ratio is probably about the same as SAD.

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                    Not to derail the thread too much...but I know a couple vegetarians who are a bit overweight, but otherwise healthy looking with good coloring.


                    I myself am close to a 100% PB diet, I'm skinny (6'1", 153 lbs), and you might even say I have a somewhat sallow appearance. My skin pigment has a yellowish hue to it, which is actually pretty common -- especially among those of Asian descent. I also have darkish circles under my eyes which I seem to have inherited from my mother's side of the family. At least I'm not scared of shadows, and I have plenty of energy. I'm not sure whether you can see joy in my eyes.


                    I agree with avocado that self-righteousness is a two-way street. I see just as much of it on these forums as anywhere else.

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                      On another tangent, why aren't fish, fowl, and their eggs considered meat? Just arbitrary nonsense that's stuck with us, like putting eggs and dairy together?


                      "I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian."

                      "I'm a vegetarian. Fish, please."

                      Yousa meat eater in my book.

                      But then most critics tend to pan my book.

                      You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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                        Yeeeeaaah, instead of viewing vegans as "the opposition", maybe viewing them as potential converts, and fellow dietary heretics?


                        I was vegan for years, and got crap on a regular basis from a large number of people I met. After a while you develop a thick skin, and ignore anyone telling you differently when it comes to diet. Which of course is too bad because I did my metabolism alot of damage in that time.


                        But I never took sh!t from "meaties". "Eye pokers" were likely to have their faces torn off and politely stuffed in their pockets (because you know, I didn't eat meat.) And yes this extended to administering a few beatings to them what wouldn't dummy up, and drop the subject. (Because, you know... I'm a fuggin' Sith Lord dammit.)


                        I think it makes alot more sense to look at the similarities in experience with other dietary non-conformists, even if they hold a directly opposite philosophical out look from ours. We (primal) want better health, many vegans are motivated by similar goals (although some are nihilistic self-flaggellating misanthropes who value the lives of mosquitos, and cockaroaches above their fellow humans.) We both face a common culture that is often hostile, and ignorant of their own ignorance when it comes not only to matters of health, but to their own rudeness when dealing with us.


                        My poor roommates- One is a life long slave to CW, my recent fat consumption is anathema, as was my protein seeking before it. The other one is a frail raw vegan hypochondriac. Poor guy. There's very little hope for him.


                        Still I try to exercise empathy for others, since social bonding, cooperation, and such was a major reason for Grok's success.


                        (And I'll punch any vegan who gets inbetween me, and my steak!)

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                          @PrimalChild, I've wondered that, too. One of my kids even asked me that yesterday. Her reasoning - fish move on their own, they're an animal we eat - why aren't they meat. I have to admit to having no answer for her. We all - kids and grown ups - had to agree it was a arbitrary designation.

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                            I would say veganism > average diet.


                            At least they get vitamins and minerals from the vegetables, big macs and frozen piza dont even do that.


                            I respect them for trying, besides, they leave more of the good stuff for me.

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                              The only vegans that really get on my nerves are those who pry into my diet and start preaching to me about how meat is bad for you, animal rights, etc without even knowing me. I research where I get my meat and veggies to assure that they are from sustainable sources and that they are humane to the animals. I don't buy fish that are redlisted and that are from farms that are in a natural water source. While most vegans/veggie heads I know are not in great shape or anything (they smoke like chimneys and dont work out) I just leave them be, more meat for me!

                              Natural Selection: http://ichoosenaturalselection.wordpress.com

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